The Jedi Church should seek to become a charitable trust?

On average, everyone agrees with nonconsensus between 1015 voters.

Reasons To Disagree

I think we need to focus our attention on the good instead of bringing in money which would lead us to the dark side

We should raise money to gain awareness of the church, but we should not have the charity aspect as a main deally

It is more important to become a recognised religion in law. This will aid the quest for treatment equal to other religions. (It also confers tax exempt status and allows a deduction for contributions, just as a charitable trust would.)

Money should not concern the jedi.

Money and Profit is of man, where as the jedi are of the force

Fuck the Homeless

we do not seek charity we only seek to be one with the force.

First global recognition, then and maybe, charity

Money to the Dark Side leads...

I think we need a physical church first, we need to show the world we are serious then when the 12 council members ( preferably 12 from different leading countries) have been chosen we can help the world, taking the side of green-peace and save the trees society. we also need a technology department, develop the lightsaber technology. This way we can enforce the rights of others and punish those that need to be punished.

We give help not ask for it

When you put money into anything, it makes it corruptible, and the Jedi should not be corruptible.

Because the sith may ask!

The Church should not have ANY financial income whether its for Charity or for the Church itself. People will be turned off the idea of Jediism if we start to mention money

What is money but a path to the dark side?

Money always mess with the beliefs.

money is the root of the dark side

the world may missinterprate kindness for weakness

No man can handle money without being corrupted; but look at buddhism, it has done pretty well this far without a lot of money eventhough it is necessary...but a little can do a lot.

The Jedi are a group that recognizes THE FORCE. A Jedi charitable trust would make no more sense than a charitable trust for gravity or magnetism (minor subsets of THE FORCE).

it is way more important to see this church reach it to a nationally accepted level, and if it does it also gains tax exempt status

for what reason

I believe the world can help it self through tough times after all isnt that what happen in WW2? i mean come on if the homeless and the poor get paid bad stop paying the retarded sports people and give it to the poor no person should be charged for working hard and the world can rot in he$# :D

Why should we become a charity wussy girly churches give charity!

Bad idea, very bad. It would be detrimental to Jediism to not take heed the short comings of all other Churches and Religions throughout history. Money is the root of all evil; it is proven. When Churches involve money, despite intent, it draws out greed and corruption. "Sith" would emerge from within in pursuit selfish goals for their own personal financial gain. With money as a factor it would be unclear of one's motivation as a member. Without money as a element, Jedi would be motivated by faith alone, ensuring their purity and intentions. Jediism is clearly the purest form of religion that has yet to be tainted by man. This purity MUST be protected and preserved. Jediism has existed since the beginning of time, but has only recently surfaced with a name and following. Jediism is new to the general public and can not afford bad media that would discredit and mock the entire faith. Jedi must weigh the pros and cons, and do what is in the best interest of the faith, not neccessarily the society as a whole. Maybe it is the Jedi's calling to provide charity, but if the faith is discredited, it is all in vain. If this happens, the church will lose followers, support, the general public's approval, and lessen the number of new members. As an ex-law enforcement official and a current goverment employee, I know that charity and financial aid programs draw in corrupt, lazy, deceiptful, selfish, manipulative, and greedy persons. Environment dictates behavior, and these are people we don't want drawn to Jedi. It is too great of a risk to the faith's success, at least at this time.

We must focus on what really matters at first: Get the word of the Jedi known through-out the world.

A trust/non-profit is good, but there are other issues that we should focus on first.

theres a fine line between charity and profit, money makes people corruptable

Money is not the root of all evil, though it tends to influence. I believe it absolutely unnessicary to turn a philosophy into a cash grab (for whatever reason). Costs to promote and track the order are all that are needed.

Charity is of the heart and all should help those less fortunate then themselves, but a charitable trust the Jedi should not be, nor should any religion, we should be charitable but as individuals to what our own heart holds dear not to one thing (or many) as a whole

no never. money isnt everything yes we need it to survive but money leads to greed,greed leads to suffering suffering leads to pain pain leads to anger and anger leads to the darkside.so no. the catholics did that n it lead to greed! it became very curropt. we dont need that to happen to us. money leads to greed!

I think that the force need to be strong!

Money NO. Advice, wisdom and guidance in the ways of the Force YES.

Our intrest is in the force. We may give aid to those who seek it as we see fit. Becoming a trust binds the church as an entity further to the laws of man. Therefore I feel the only reason to do so is tax purposes.

Money corrupts.

no

Money is a force that will lead to the dark side; we must remove ourselves from money as much as possible.

Money which leads to greed whitch leads to hate whitch leads to the darkside No i do not belive that money should make this jedi church better it wouldnt everyone one has the right to religion it wouldnt be right to have people buy membership It is not the jedi way If you want you can donate that is not bad because it helps other living life forms aka the force.

I think that the Jedi Church should remain non-profit. Sure, it means that we'd have less moolah to give to other charities, but the money shouldn't matter. The only thing that should matter is that we ARE helping and that we ARE spreading news that there's a new Church in town; and that we're here to stay.

greed leeds to jelousy jelousy to hate hate to anger anger to suffering and that is the path to the dark side

Money is the root of all evil and the Jedi should not be even considering it.

Money can lead to greed and can possable hurt the church

I believe that the good is measured by actions and not by spending.

Though the funds will be helpful, Jedi are not materialistic. Ask not for funds, yet accept when they are gracefully offered.

I'm not sure I like the idea of getting fully into the "religion establishment". Better to stay true to philosophy roots and just be a gathering of people willing to take care of things than to turn into something other religions will actively protest against.

i disagree as it said in the star wars movies we do not give or recive we stay nuteral and if we dont we may be taking the road to the dark side

Money is in line with Corruption and therefore would leave those in charge of the church vunerable to the Dark.

We don't need money we have the force!

There is little need of money, for the force brings happiness and peace and money brings fear, hate, mistrust and prejudice.

focus more on what this actually is as opposed to trying to be charitable, usually that starts the downfall. people will start to get greedy which leads to more chances of stealing, taxes or lack there of start to get more complicated and then you just want to raise the most money and be the best. stick with just religion and skip the headache

The Jedi Church shouldn't seek it but Jedi Church members should do charitable act as a personal option.

money is not needed and it would be selfish

It is too early for such things and money should not be sort. If members of the jedi church wish to perform good deeds then it should be on an individual basis without the need for personal recognition.

Money is the root of all evil money can buy anything........

We don't need the money, i think we'd be asking for too much

Anyone who does not believe in the force should not be kept alive, they are roooobbiiiiisshhhhh

I'm am led to believe that it is a Jedi's role in society to help others, but I personally believe that is something the individual Jedi should focus on. The church is more or less a place for those of us follow the ways of The Force to gather.

We should help those in a practical physical manner. Money may not go to the right cause.

Altruism does not need or require money to take place

Seek charitable status yes. Seek non-profit status no. With the non-profit status every member votes to set the council and through that council Jedi policy. Jedi policy could then change to the dark side on the vote of infiltrators. The solution is to take charitable contribution without gaining tax exempt status.

Not for profit, but it should gain a physical presence.

Off the path of the Jedi money leads

we most grow bigger and spread the force to others, we have the force and that is worth more than all the money in the world! we most find another way to grow and make the world better with the help of the force not money - padawan npw

Their are many ways the jedi can help without using man's preconceived greed.

We should focus on strengthening and stabilizing ourselves before we try to aid others

It would be wonderful to have a temple or church to openly gather in but money is powerful and many people are influenced by power. I am not so sure that one Jedi should collect money but perhaps all Jedi should raise the funding but still the possibility of danger lurks.

Im not adamantly against the idea. However our money would have to be closely watched and used for the betterment of life in the universe. I lean toward no because we dont need money to continue the Jedi path.

Money leads to greed, which leads to the dark side

There is no need for money as the force will be always our one essential.

we can not be sure if they are going to a good cause or if they are lying to us

Stear away from the darkside

If we become a charitable trust we start leaning towards the dark side and we are above and beyond that.

Charities are for poor people but no one wants them alive anyway.

Money is there root to all evil. If your a Jedi, you should take it upon yourself to help others, you shouldn't need the church to tell you so, and once money rolls in this whole church will be corrupted like every other church in history! Money sucks! Go back to trading donkeys! And leave the government out of it!!!!

I soldi corrompono anche gli animi più forti, i soldi ci porterebbero al lato oscuro

Sometimes acts with good intentions cause harm. We should be of service in any way we can, but not ignorantly or blindly. I believe that it is a Jedi's duty to serve in any way they are able, but it is not the responsibility of the counsel to provide this aid.

Plenty of charities out there, be charitable to fellow jedi who are in need

Reasons To Agree

Not-for-profit organization is a better choice of words

Would be wonderful to see the jedi church helping others.

The church should deffinatly help out, not only will we be improving peoples lives, but also getting the word out about the Jedi Church!

That would allow us to help which in turn would boost credibility

In this day and age there is a need to help others.

only if the causes we pursue are just.

jedi's are here to protect so yes help and protect

Money is Power in this world. Use the force of the money.

helping others might put us on the map..

We don't have to be a rich religion like others.Money can corrupt us.It's true that we have to be a powerfull religion but with humility.And always looking to help others.

Greed leeds to the dark side however if we do accept donations we must put said money to good use.

We should accept donations but not class ourselves as a charity. That would only stop people from joining.

it should do and bee what its meant to be no more no less

The Jedi order was the support of the Republic, and a comfort to the poor, weak, and oppressed. How can we inherit these ideals, if we do not follow them?

we are here to love and guard our fellow man charity will just make us a more trust worthy group

it is the will of the Force

Yes, instead of building ornate and fancy decorations or spending obscene amount of money on extremely uninteresting religious material (like some) we should help people :)

Lets all try and be a force for good in the world/galaxy and in this world money talks

While aiding others is of the utmost importance, focusing on the problems of the galaxy to the exclusion of our own internal problems can lead to our downfall. Careful attention must be paid to what and when we help but help we must.

We need to get the idea out there that we are an official religion. not a joke. but the perils of the dark side are steep

We should serve others in need.

a good question

Non-profit organisation - agreed.

Not-for-profit. Only for education and freeing of minds, leading to the Light Side. NOT for helping the "needy" who are lazy or weak-willed (Dark Siders); only those who are unable to help themselves.

Just as long as it stays non-profit because money leads to power and power corrupts and absolute money leads to absolute power and absolute power corrupts absolutly

Jedi are going to need money in order to move around the ministers of faith and do our work. We do need to dwell on it but we do need it non the less.

As long as the money is used to help the ways of the Jedi move forward, and not just to benefit oneself, then I feel that money will do us no harm.

To help others in need is the Jedi way, so yes. It is also important to show society we are a good order.

I agree but we should give the fishing stick, not the fish.

Money is god-made as all other things in the universe. We all are a piece of god. All things in the universe are pieces of god. Also is money also a piece of god. And god is another name for the force or the force is another name for god...

Non-profit organization - agreed.

Recognised religions have certain rights including charity recognition and rights.

We are here to make this world better.

Money unfortunately brings greed and can lead to the Dark Side. Eventually we will have to incorporate as an official body in order to be recognised. A 'Temple' or "Church' is recognised as such and registered for that purpose. And money will be involved just to meet legal obligations annually so it cannot be avoided.

You have my vote!

seeing that this corrupt world is run on money, we would need money to be reconized. After that we could show them the force.

Yes i agree. As soon as people take us for real

Jedi must put the needs of the community above the needs of individuals

A non profit status is a integral peice of being recognized as an organized and official religion

The Jedi do not give charity for the sake of charity. One of the greatest concepts ever devised my man is embodied in the saying "Feed a man a fish and he eats for a day, Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a life time." As Jedi we seek to protect and promote life, as such we will help in catastrophy and emergency. A Jedi will help life when life cannot help itself and will help a life when a life is trying to help itself. Give a man a fish only when there are no fish or he is incapable of fishing. Those that do not know how to fish will be taught how to fish and given a fish as they learn and stay dedicated to learning.

yes my vote agrees

in order to establish ourselves as a major religion in this world we need to show that we are part of it not seperate. The risk of the dark side of the force is overcome by the compassion of charity.

though it is true that collecting money can elad to corruption which is evil/dark side. We should still focus on helping in whatever way we can

A jedi needs to master the dark side, money can do great evil but also greater good. money is but a tool in the wars against evil. A charitable trust has many advantages.

Donations should be made towards charities to help to show others that we really do follow our beliefs in helping others. I also think that the jedi should run for a position of notice on the government, we have just as much right as any other party and our beliefs are beneficial to many. Someone should sort this.

The Way of the Jedi is to help those we can.

if you beliven something you should at least help out your community.

while giving is always good, you should never let yourself be blinded by greed. remember the path to good is narrow indeed.

This would ensure that other people, less well off than ourselves benefit in some way and that we can maximise our monatary potential for the greater good.

Helping the charities would be good for us, and it will also help us become known amongst the communities.

we must help those less fornet than us,but causin should be taken, thatthe dark side dose not gain from our giving

Our society is laid upon that of currency in order for a religion to prosper

ONLY IF IT IS FOR THE BETTER GOOD OF THE GRSATER GOOD.

Money is of no importance to the Jedi.

The church should NEVER be a profitting organization. If anything the money gained can be "charitied" to organizations created for spreading the word of the church

One of the main jedi ideals is to help those who do not have the means to help themselves that is a core tenant of the jedi teaching

We should spread the way of the Jedi another way. Helping anyone we see.

the church should definitely help out, not only will we be improving peoples lives, but also getting the word out about the Jedi Church!

Part of balance is knowing when to give, and when to receive. If one chooses not to receive, they steal the experience of giving from another being. We should make donations available for people to experience giving, yet not fall into relying on the income. The income may be benefitted in the costs of making our organizations stronger, thereby allowing for our influence to be helpful to our causes - which I stress will hopefully be balanced and unselfish.

The life of a jedi is to help and protect, we have our faith to keep us strong so with donations we can help to protect others that are not so strong

Non-profit organisation - agreed.

"The Jedi are selfless they only care about others"

Jedi's Should help others.

money would be very usefull to the church we could reach out to more people and essintaily grow as a community

Every religion needs money to progress, but with the funds the Jedi religion can better progress it's cause

So that the Church can raise funds to help others less fortunate.

However it is much more important to become recognised as an actual religion.

"The Jedi are selfless they only care about others"

it is not how rich you are but what you do that defines you

not cheap to grow

i think that becoming a charitable oorganiseation or a profitable organizeation is in itself a good thing then the church may becaome more active in helping others

If you use the money wisely for the good of humanity that is the way of the force, greed leads to the dark side.

i understand the idea of helping the community but money does have a reputation of leading to greed and yes the darkside of the force though it may bring recognition and help out other as well as "keep the peace" which is what a jedi does it could bring the corrupt into the equation

i think that we need the church to expand maby make it more exiting to the eye by making images and decorating the church of the force. but we should then give 1/3 of our ernings to the good people of the earth since we do-not discriminate about what religion people choose

i do much work for charity. we come in this world with nothing, and we leave with nothing, however we do leave a whole world behind. we are not made of what we have, but our actions, and what we leave behind. lets not harbour a greed but giv to those who need it, whether it be shelter, aid, money or wisdom!

It is part of the Jedi code to act selflessly to help others.

While I agree that we should be a charitable organization, I don't think we should become a charitable trust. The difference is distinct: as a charitable organization, we will donate time and resources to worthy causes. Perhaps these donations will be managed by the church, perhaps not, but they will be direct. From our hands and minds and strength to the places they will do the most good. A charitable trust, in contrast, doesn't seem to me like the kind of institution that would use donated time (which, you should agree, is a jedi's specialty), and does seem like the kind of institution that would end up leaving funds lying around at some point. This is a horrible, horrible idea. For the jedi church to have money lying around would undermine it, I think. It ought to be charitable, yes, we all ought to, but it should be so as an intermediary.

you need to help the poor

Need to get known

If money is used and collected it should be used wisely for the benefit of the community and those in need. Where we might disagree is in the area of determining the most need. Treating symptoms versus treating the cause. Many will feed the hungry, but few will teach.

A cherishable trust should be encouraged to give away their collect

Helpping every one in any level

The force requires us all to do what we can to help those in need, how can we when some of us are without the means to do so?

Only if it is see through, so no one can take money

I agree because I believe thart all money given to organizations should be tax deductable.

compation

the force tell use to act without thought of our selfs.

Money should only be used for the benefit of others and we should not collect money for the gain of ourselves. Not-for-profit, if that is what this question means, is good, for that is what we want out of our religion- the help and benefit for others, not the self.

help those who need to be helped not because they need it

I quote from above, "The Jedi order was the support of the Republic, and a comfort to the poor, weak, and oppressed. How can we inherit these ideals, if we do not follow them?"

I think that if we raise money it should be for helping others.

We should strive to improve the lives of others and the condition of our world. We would need to be very careful not to be drawn into the dark side.

it would be great helping out

When we advance and grow, we should seek to help others, but not glean off all the money we can to help ourselves like some other charities. ALL the money should stay in the charity.

we should not seek profit by any means, which could lead to the dark side, but we should get our name out there.

The more money that the Jedi have to further the cause, the better.

This is the correct path To give is better

strongly agree.

All organizations need funding to run, with organization and proper accounting there is no reason for money to become a problem unless greed is allowed to become an acceptable ethical standard.

To give is to receive and receive we shall

money does not really matter as long as you can give people the basic needs its ok like free energy free food free shelter maybe even free clothing

Outreach is important for public relations.

As I read others comments, I see a lot focusing on money. I agree that money can lead to the dark side. As Jedi, we should protect everyone, as everything is connected through the force. There are other ways in protecting and helping others. Charitable means to help others, not necessarily giving money to people. I think we can organize and make awareness to actually help people. Give light where there is darkness.

All religions should aim to help. So we should try.

The goal of the Jedi is to help and do what is right.

Do not persecute based on any factor. We should reward those that follow the light with praise and guide those who stray to the dark side of the force..

Is it not the goal of Jedi to help those who cannot help themselves? Those who believe that charity will lead us to the dark side are trying to protect us from greed and media deception. I believe we should make ourselves known to the work as the protectors of the innocent and weak. All great religions have either risen from fear or the people belief in what the religion would do for them. May the force protect us all.

watch it

A JEDI WORK FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE. In this point of view it's our mission to help people needing assistance to survive.

what would the jedi church do if not help others.

Let's first build us headquarters: a Temple from which we will direct our good forces.

A Jedi is compassionate.

There is not much need for money, but if there was money we could build a place for meeting.

Yes, the Jedi are scholars and warriors. That means a life dedicated to knowledge and to action. But we must take care not to be tempted by materialism and corruption. As soon as money becomes a part of the Jedi Church, temptation becomes strong. I am for giving time, voluntary work rather than money.

as long as its used to publicise the religion

should only become a charitable trust not only for money but for kindness to help those who can't help them selfs we need to show the world the way of the force.

To build a church would mean building a greater community to the jedi

Charity is good for all

Money has nothing to do with this desicion. The Force has brought us together, the next logical step is to organize as a governmental recognized entity, so that we can grow and be recognized by world governments, so that we can do our duty as Jedi. I recommend someone gathering information on the different types of entitys and then voting on the type we should incorperate as. It will have to be done seperately in every country so one person from every country will need to volunteer for fact finding for the group. Preferably people with law experience. Sir Liam

WE NEED $

Money like a gun is nether light or dark, until it is purposed.It cannot corrupt. you ether are or are not.In our reality it is freedom and choice The freedom to help and the choice of how.If voted on by a council,controlled by a neutral party. So, no money unable to help and effect change. With money freedom and choice to help.Witch path is wider and lighter? I think I know.

Help those who are poor, weak, and hungry

The Force lives in every thought and action, even the most material ones. A true Jedi must help the helpless, always, if this can be done without bringing evil, darkness and distruction elsewhere. Does charity bring help? Yes. Does it bring darkness and distruction? Like Obi-Wan says, "Oh I don't think so".

Heil Capitalism

I smell pennies!!! -Mr krabs

helping those less fortunate is one road to inner peace and fullfillment