Reasons To Disagree
my bum is a one way shoot and staying that way Jedi are to love unconditionally, thus you should love both genders equally. Loving equally you could not be gay. A jedi should not be gay, nor should a jedi be straight. Attatchment is forbidden. Homosexualtiy is a sign of spiritual breakdown This is my personal perception, But...A jedi is not to be attached to a partner/s emotionally, this could blind a jedi's judgement and feeling and cause emotional turmoil as seen by nearly every relationship, both Gay and Hetro (Respectively) gay = enemy Jedi should not be gay or straight. No attachment. jedi are not aloud to have relationships so sexual orientation should be strait or atleast a-sexual It is not right for anyone to be gay There is no passion.Attachment leads to pain. Gays are sickos Jedi's should be celibate What they do with their lightsabers is not to be heard of I disagree as Attachment is a bad thing i dissagree cos 2 men cant procreate wen they can den an only den shud it be allowed this is not natural,how can bein gay carry bring new life , they cant its wrong No, its not OK, its no OK to have feelings for anyone!!! To each his own preference.
Though Jedis should attempt to remain unattached Gay as in happy, yes. Gay as in homosexual, it's not just not ok, it's just wrong. Men are made for women; check the plumbing. I think gay jedi would horrifically misuse lightsabers. Jedi's are not suppossed to love in the first place Love of any kind is forbidden I believe it is essential for Jedi to continue to spread the Jedi teachings. This means there must be pupils to pass on that knowledge to.
Homosexuals, as a matter of biological certainty, cannot produce offspring. Its not right for anyone to be gay jedi are chosen because the force lives within them, not just on a friday night after 10 pints of stella when a different kinda force 'lives' within them!! no its not natral Jedi are in Tune with nature. As for this forbidden to love nonsense... Study young Padawan! The Trial of the Flesh involved the Jedi overcoming great physical pain, hardship, or loss. It could also test the Jedi's mastery of detachment from physical pleasure and people Jedi arn't allowed to love.REMEMBER THAT RULE. a jedi has a duty to the people not to one person alone the jedi order does not believe in love.... only love for the force and a love for all things good in the universe..
may the force be with you Jedi's are supposed to set the example for others to follow in all things right and just fuck that, gays are sooo gay! Homosexuality is contrary to the Jedi doctrine of non-attachment. if your a gay jedi, use your light saber to cut of your c#$k As it says in 'Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones' physical attraction between a jedi and another person is forbidden, we allow compassion but we should not allow physical relationships between same sex couples yes the Jedi are forbidden to Love and have any atachements no mather if they are fisical or sipiritual so the jedi cannot be straight or "gay" Jedi do not marry (with some exceptions), in order to avoid attachment and?according to Vergere?so as not to create dynasties of those strong in the Force. However, in many periods of the Order's history, such as the era prior to Exar Kun and in Luke Skywalker's reformed Jedi Order, marriage was not forbidden.
I guess it is ok to form an attachment but aslong as you marriage and in our current day gay marriage is not allowed so i do not think it is allowed and should never be. be natural Na cause gay guys are homo Attatchment isn't allowed in the Jedi Religion, so no. Either choice is a choice of passion. Passion leads to the dark side. no attachement
gay or not that's gay, dude Attachment is wrong. Gay people deserve death Under no circumstances I dont think that we should have attachments to any sex When performind Jedi duties sexual orientation shouldnt be practised. As an everyday life question then it is irrelevant. LOL..... only if you find yourself looking at a young Skywalker just like Emperor Palpatene did!!!
But NO... because that is what Sith Lords do.
Jedi's are forbidden to engage in personal relationships..... Just like Roman Catholic Priest..
Making room for relationships will make the credibility of an authentic Jedi church appear to be a silly game instead of a reality. HELL NO GAYS CAN ROT IN THE FIRES OF THE SITH they are sith just in disguise. Sure we could "have gay jedi" but who wants a gay jedi in battle while u fight monsters other religions and many other issues. All u need now is a person imaging of u and wacking off behind u during this debate and discussion so i strongly dis agree with gay jedi there mind is weak and must be set straight! :D I did not have even read the entire agree/disagree. Jedi should not be gay, I agree it is a sign of spiritual breakdown. Emotion is a weakness, I am married and love my wife, none the less we must try to not let things cloud our judgement. I do not have anything against homosexuality, but any sort of attatchments should be disbanded. Jedi who are strong in the Force need to procreate in order to pass on their genetics and beliefs through their children. Gays can not do that. They are not strong in thr Force. Gays have already given in to the Dark Side and turned to a dark passion. Gays are not Jedi, they are Star Wars fans at best, otherwise they would not be gay. I don't "hate" gays, but I have no tolerence for Sith who want to justify their behavior, and infiltrate the Jedi Order. it is ok to be gay, & have civil unions, but
not marriage. if it were natural for gay's..wouldnt they be able to reproduce?
thats why my ass is exit ramp only Jedi's must not pack fudge Emotion, yet peace. Ignorance, yet knowledge. Passion, yet serenity. Chaos, yet harmony. Death, yet the Force.
i have no placement over this but i dont like people who are gay because i might be fancied by a guy?
so no gays I personally LOVE puntang, but if you're going to sit there and tell me you have never piched a tent while watching a Twilek dance then that's your problem. Not saying being gay is a problem but......yea I'll just leave it at that. No, i have a fealing they would baddly mis-use a lightsaber
To be a homosexual is to be out of balance with the Force. The Force has elected to create a man, this man shall act accordingly. If he were to be a woman, he would have been born that way. Gay is only accepted on Pandora. For fear of falling in love with a Sith Lord and falling to the darkside, i have to disagree. All Sith Lords are gay, fabulous, and are hard to resist.
the force contradict this
in the world is a men and a woman for a couple It is against the natural way of life! No it is not ok. Regardless of freedom of choice,the Force tells me in my heart that it is very much on the dark side to be gay. It has no future and is against nature. Man and woman just like Yin and Yang depend on each other and produce energy,life,Chi or as we know it the FORCE, but there is no product from Homosexuality and it has no place in any religion. you fuking homo shit faces im going to rape your mum you turd burger Thats not what you mean by the force is it or im off !!!
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Reasons To Agree
A Jedi is not allowed to love. Attachment is forbidden but the sexual actions of a Jedi is NOT the bussiness of The Jedi Order. jedi are the ultamate power in the universe we should do what we want including use the darkside for our own gain A Jedi is not allowed to love. Attachment is forbidden but the sexual actions of a Jedi is NOT the bussiness of The Jedi Order. Sexual preference is not a problem. A Jedi should, of course, not show unconditional love torwards someone, but instead show it for everyone. Of course though, to be gay is your own choice. You can't change who you are, or hide who you are, and the ones around you shouldn't try and make you change. I love little boys we as jedis should b gay if we want just no emotional attachment A jedi needs to remain attached to the plight of the people, forbiding relationships of any kind removes that attachment and will lead to trouble. So long as no attachments to anyone build up, there is no reason against this. Jedis are supposed to avoid passion but there cant be love without passion surely jedi can be drawn from any species, which may have diferent anatomies, customs and biologies so this question is irrelevent People do not choose this lifestyle other than they have no choice, that's who they are. I commend them for being strong enough to revolt against the conformity of the Empire. only if it doesnt compromise their strength The Jedi religion embraces all, even those that defy nature by having homosexual relations u know...love its universal...like the Force Sexual orintation matters not as attachment is forbidden. Jedi can love whoever they wish. A practitioner of the Jedi Religion comes to reality as The Force made him or her. It is immaterial what his or her sexual preference is, so long as he or she identifies with the Great Force Which has opposed Entropy since the earliest point of time in the universe, and Which has consistently led to higher forms of order and beauty. attachment is forbidden yes, but screwing and leaving at dawn is very much the way of the jedi. There for it is ok for a jedi-man to screw another man if he leaves at dawn. It's irrelevant, really im not gay but, i think a jedi could be gay if he/she wants to gay. why should they be discriminated against? jedi do not discriminate. Jedi do not discriminate. Attachment can strengthen a Jedi but do not let it cloud your judgement. To love is an good action no mettaers who loves who. to forviden love is an evyl action Sexual likes and dislikes should have nothing to do with what is right and worng. Sexual relations have nothing to do with love. Jedi's can be gay if they want. I personally don't care. Just remain unattached. Jedi should not be attached by love. But interest in a certain gender is tolerable if it does not affect their tendancies to the Jedi. Freedom for all, controlling what people think is of the dark side to each his own. The force guides everything in this universe. Therefore, the force is also a driving force behind homosexuality. Who are we to question the ways of the force? personal choice freedom and equality is the way of all jedi and is the only way to make this universe/world a better place for all It is OK for anyone to be gay. In my country you'd get in Jail for implying that gay is not "ok" Well i have been a jedi for several years and from my experiance most of you are gay so i guess it is ok, who comes up with these lame questions? Any form of hate is forbidden by true jedis. A true jedi excepts all life in all its wounderous guises. Without exception!! I think so. Although I do not know many homosexual people I would not stop them from doing something they enjoy due to their own personal choice. The jedi is required to love all both male and female the same. What happens in the bedroom is only between the individual and themselves. Why should sexual orientation be an issue? Are we Catholics? is it ok for anyone else? why not? if the world needs anything its more love. Just because you are attracted to men dont mean u love them!!! All life is to be respected. Jedi are here to help people. They are not here to make decisions for others regarding sexuality. Life was not ment to exist without love, and sexual preference is not something that can be chosen. If you do not tolerate all kinds of love then you are no better than the religion you are running away from. I think Obi wan was gay so.... It is so long as they do not have sexual intercourse
when they are in Jedi status. It is ok. But Jedi for the most are forbidden to fall in love. This should be looked into more by us Jedi. Do we deal with this like Taoists who practice sexual alchemy or do we deal with this like Catholic priests who shun sex all together and get testicular cancer and who many have resorted to abnormal sexual behavior like touching the quire boy? Judge not but help I always thought dat luke skywalker was bi, bet hes cornish nd slept with his sister leia aswell. Sexual orientation should have absolutely no bearing on whether someone can be a Jedi. Our belief structure is such that sexual preference is not mandated by the force. People are what they are. To put it simply, if the Force allows for people to be gay, then we have no right to question it. Jedi Religion is one of Compassion why not? why not? jedi's can do as they please as long as they do not become attached A jedi would not flaunt his or her sexuality, regardless. If the flow of the force takes a person that way, it is not for us as individuals to say if it is a good or a bad thing. Jedis should love no matter who it is. This would be like not allowing a certain race or species to be Jedi. People are born gay. Prrrrrrrooowr A jedi knight cannot be attached. A jedi follower can be attached and needs to be in order to be balanced. We love who we are lucky enough to love. Jedi's shouldnt be attached, but i see no harm in anyone being homosexual, personaly im not gay, but they're doing no harm to me. Jedi should try to abstain from attachment, as it can cloud their minds - however, if they so wish to seek a bond with another individual, it should not matter what gender they are. If you start discriminating ppl for their way of life toy cease to be a Jedi. jedis can do what they wish =] i could care less, as long as they harm no one else. We are who we are,
does the code not say,
"ALL living things are bound by the force."?
Therefore the way we chose to live is only part of us and the force. If a Jedi can be black then they should also be able to show themselfs as being Gay, being a Jedi is about helping ALL kinds of people and anyways why would it matter, if the Jedi Chruch bands gays then arnt they the same as any other Religion that has been. Yes everyone gar a choose, so be gay if you wont to. I have a female partner and i am male but girl to girl and male to male relationships are fine. Yes we should not show emotion, however we protect everyone. And i am protecting her as she protects me as a fellow jedi and fellow human True love see no difference on sex, age, skin colour or beliefs. Force is like love, real love, and that's the energy that moves the Verse Tolerance is one of Jedi's caracteristics I can say that if you feel gay, then cool, if you're not gay...cool also.
it's a "whatever floats your barge" thing really. A jedi dont have time to love Sexual orientation should have absolutely no bearing on whether someone can be a Jedi. Our belief structure is such that sexual preference is not mandated by the force. i strongly agree becuase my self am gay and often engage in gay sexual relations for pleasure Love and accept everyone. Just because some Jedi like to use other Jedi's lightsaber isn't a reason for them not to be a Jedi. My fellow Jedi, I am very new to the order. But what we have here is an opportunity to turn a new leaf in civilization. We can create an orginization that does away with stereotypes and predisposed religous beliefs, and start focusing on positive issues. This issue can not be resolved. It effects not me or the universe if two guys get it on. What does effect me is the hatred that is contagious when people have an agenda. It is not for a Jedi to judge, but to focus on the positives of life. we are what the force made us. the force makes ppl gay Unlike other bigger religions jedi does not specifiy what sexualty one must be Personal choice for an individual to answer. One can be gay and still be unattached to things. Attached unattached sounds like the awakened one. No one can tell another if it is ok to be or not to be anything. its not a problem i mean some of the most succesful people are gay so it could reflect on this religon i am a lesbian jedi so there,. Of course it is. There is nothing immoral about homosexuality. There is nothing immoral about love. There is nothing immoral about sex. No discrimination at all. All Jedi in the movies were different species with different sexual functions. We MUST NOT discriminate. the force is with us all. Jedi's sexuality has nothing to do with how good they are as jedi, so it really doesn't matter. this is a free religion. to me it is wrong but to the idea of Jedi it is legal. If a Jedi is gay, let them be gay. Jedi are meant to be keepers of peace, but if your are saying being gay is wrong, then there wont be much peace. Gay means happy, so yes, we should be happy. why is this even a question? If the gay Jedi doesn't effect you, it souldn't matter.
It's there life, there choice and we as Jedi should respect that, and them A jedi is open minded and not judege each other. i myself am gay. but i still follow the jedi order and that is to not have love. Jedi rules should not enter realms that are irrelevant to the force, nor prohibit anything that contains the force. The force is in all genders, so the gender a Jedi choses for sex is the business only of that Jedi and his/her chosen partner. However, beware the dark side that arises from passion, regardless of gender. but sex and attachment can lead to the darkside I am not gay, but weather any other jedi is or not is none of my buissness No reason why it should be anything otherwise. I like sperm in my arse To each his own, but why not?
No religion should dictate to the point where it takes away someone's happiness, if the Jedi religion does not have specific reasons for disallowing then it should never create them Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force. well even if a jedi was to have a relationship it is to be discreet. I dont mind as long its betweenthe 2 in therelationship. A personal matter, which should not be put in the hands of any religion. Fine, but stay the fux away from me
and keep that lightsaber where it belongs Jedi's are meant to be open minded One's sexual preference is NO ONES business. Even the councils. If one is with the Force
But beware of the dark side having an attachment may not be allowed if you are a Jedi.
Buts lets all remember. There are Sith.
They are not gonna hurt you. They are people too. And to the people who say that they should be killed because they are gay.... are you sure you are a jedi or are you just trying to play a mind trick on yourself. Have an open mind. You don't have to be gay but one has no right to choose for another just because u are gay does not meen u are not strong more silly questions...swing your saber as u like - just not in my direction. Who are we to judge???? Get with the times. Hello 2009!!!!! to denie ourselves freedom is to imprisson the soul,the force lays the path for you to follow.be true to yourself first and let tour passion fuel your way
personal preference, it should be a moot point as attaining oneness with the Force doesnt involve sexual preference. The Basis of Jediism is that we respect other Humans simply because they are human. Therefore Homosexuality is simply and completly fine.
The ausumption that Jedi are not supposed to love is something I disagree with, we are simple followers not Jedi Knights. Sexuality is meaningless, it does not change which side of the force you choose. Anti-homosexuality is a Christian belief, not a Jedi belief. The jedi-religion is a religion of tolerance, as god (the force) is tolerant also. Intolerant are only other (week) human beeings. Well, it's not like they have a choice.
If it doesn't influence their decisions then I don't see a problem-they are as much in tune with the force than anyone else.(This is just like the woman getting to the highest rank question). I wish they hadn't close that pink lightsabers factory last month... ^^ too bad for them! One powerful force binds us all together. Gay or straight, male or female, black or white...these are all just irrelevant words. Discrimination stems from the fear of things we don't understand. "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.? Remember this, and fear not those who are different from yourself. I was called by the force before I even knew what it was, and I so happen to be Gay. Out only allegience is to the force en totale, albeit, I believe people are stronger with links to others than they are without. Our balance is based on how we were designed. The Force welcomes all men, no matter their sexual orientation. Any person can become a Jedi, and a Jedi can be any type of person. Sexual orientation is a personal characteristic like height, weight, color, race, species, etc. It has no bearing on Jedi qualifications. It would be as illogical to deny Jedi membership to left-handed individuals. Every one should be free to explore the living force and life as they choose. It is not the place of the Jedi to criticise. why should we alienate against those who chose to be homosexual or bisexual, we aren't one of those religions like Catholicism. An interesting question. It does not really matter if a Jedi is gay or the president is gay or anyone is gay. As a Jedi you respect everyone not for what they do or say. It is no one's buisness anyway. Its a little hard to Imagine a gay Jedi with a robe that looks like joseph and his amazing technicolor dreamcoat, but hey! Why should we care if they want to be a Jedi just like us. It should be also okay for gay marrage, even though i am not gay. It matters not what you do as long have faith and live by the force WHO CARES I do not understand the prejudice in this regard. Remember, prejudice leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side. There is more than enough hate in the world, and I do not think hate and prejudice belong with the Jedi. Earthlings find slight differences in other people, color, religion, sexual preference, and discriminate. How can people get on with 'people' from other civilizations with major differences if we cant even get on with our own earth-bound siblings? I believe this question is relevant to a lot of issues besides sex preference, which is really nobody's business outside of a private relationship. The force is beyond our control, therefore, it is uncontrollable to choose between being gay/straight/asexual/beastial/lesbian/necrophiliac/alienophiliac/zoophiliac, but its bad to be a molester....
LIVE LONG AND PROSPER :D The Force works in mysterious ways. Add to the fact that love is a precious blessing and can help us greatly. Who are we to delve into someones personal life. I don't flaunt the fact I am married to a women or what we do in privacy of our bedroom. If they keep their private live quiet we should not be asking. There is nothing that would discriminate against a homosexualt oreineted Jedi from the perspective of the Force. From the perception of the human being it is an aberant being, be it either choice or creation. This is not a question of religous acceptance of the force but one of cultural acceptance. A Jedi respects each culture from a neutral position and accepts all that seek understanding of the Force. Love is no longer frowned upon by the Jedi,remember that Luke Skywalker got married, also it is not write for Jedi to discriminate if you whant to be prejudice by a sith or a christian. The force does not discriminate so neither should we on race,sexuality,sex etc While i believe succumbing to emotion a marker of the 'Dark Side' there is a difference between experiencing emotion, and emersing your self in emotion. If you love who does it matter? To quote the Jedi Exile "I believe its called pulling a Bindo"
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pulling_a_Bindo The question is again one of good intent (light) or bad intent (darkness) is sexually a question of intent? I think not. What's sexually attracting to you - hardly seems to have anything to do with your mind. Discrimination is pure fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to suffering Of course it's ok for them. It does not pick my pocket nor break my leg that a fellow jedi is gay. Leave 'em be... Jedi attachment is forbidden to any one person. A jedi should love ALL unconditionally. However, it is not the place of the order to meddle in peoples personal lives. To each their own in my books. I have several gay friends and they are the smartest people i know. Sexual preferance should not be used as a factor for joining the order. All things and ways are a manifestation of the Force. Fear is the only reason that earlier religions have shunned homosexuals, and sexuality in general. Even earlier religions used sexuality as a way to worship the Divine Couple, or the Great Mother, as the source of all life. As Jedi, we believe that it is not man and woman, nor woman alone, that creates all life, but the Force. If the Force chooses to manifest itself as a gay person, or any other type, kind, style, or category of person, being, isness, or whatever, it is not our place as Jedi to judge. We must only love and never fear. sexual attraction is inherant within all of us. the direction that the Force steers us in is irrelevant, because everyone is equal. It is not the place of anyone to say who we can and cannot love. To me, the right thing is to love everyone, man and woman, equally. Not to judge people if they choose to enter a same-sex relationship. Only if informed to the order first Love is a great part of the force, no matter what sexual preferences Sexual preference is irrelevant, and discrimination in general is undesirable. Either sexuality is acceptable in the Jedi releigion or not. The same goes for potiential sentient interspecies sex aswell.
I think it's ok for a jedi to be gay. Cause a jedi has to help eveybody out there. So how is a jedi going to help a gay person if they don't know what theygo though in the first place. Ignorance is a larger enemy ofJedi than attachment to emotion or sense-desire. The ignorance displayed by many of the negative voters almost made me retract my membership. Why should we concern ourselves with the object of desire, rather than the refinement and appropriate negation of the desire itself? Sexual/posessive desire can be a destructive addictive hindrance no matter the object of attraction. We Jedi's need each other, we cannot banish somebody because of their sexual preferance. We are all equal and have feelings, and for the Jedi Church to rule supreme over all other religions, we need more people. Everybody should be welcome. The only reason people are saying that a Jedi is forbidden to be attached to things is because of the Star Wars movies. I believe that, while attachment to material things should be forbidden, there can be no harm in unconditional love of a living being. And since all are equal, it doesn't matter who you love. I think that being gay is awsome We are all one and excepted in the Force Homosexual people are no different from you and I, and many walk among you every day as they would like any other normal human being, and you are oblivious of it. To disagree with this statement is to know Fear, and Fear is a path that leads down the Dark side of the Force. Homosexuals are no different from you and I. Why do you pluralize Jedi? What kind of whacked out Jedi church is this? yes! there is noithing wrong with gays! if a jedi wants to be gay then let them Someone who is homsexual is not the business of anyone but the individual and the one they are involved with. Why does that affect your spirituality or ability to vote, or religion? what does that actually have ANYTHING to do with this discussion? its completly and entirly sexist to even pose that as a question. ridiculous. Gay or straight there is only the force. That which is immoral causes harm to a second partyand as such homosexuality is not immoral. Omece more the force has no gender I am an Army Veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. I'm also a gay man. I believe a gay man can be a Jedi Warrior. Sexual preference shouldn't ever be a problem. Jedi are to love all equally, but not one in particular. To love is against the way of the Jedi. Gay or not. the force is behind you. sexual prefrence does not determine the soul of a man or women. Of course. The Force does not discriminate, nor should we as jedis If everyone has the force and an inbuilt moral sense then its completly right to follow your inner sense ,to go against you through being or dein others theirs is to betray your innerself or the force. Though love and strong emotion are the path to the dark side, sexuality is a natural urge to the human body that must be met in order to function normally. However this is met is welcome - so long as the sexuality of a Jedi does not cloud his or her mind from wisdom. love is central to a Jedi's life. So you might say that we are encouraged to love. the force has given us a the right of choice so if they choose to be gay then they can be It isn't for us to decide what is wrong or right, we can blame hundreds of years of pre-evolution by the outside world trying to tell us what is wrong or right. So for myself it doesn't matter as long as we all see the truth, and understanding of each other will we learn. People are who they are you can't change that, I think you can be gay or Heterosexual but love is against the rules, finding someone attractive doesn't mean you can't be a Jedi. the same way the force does not know gender its not limited by your choice in partner! Absolutely! I'm glad to be Gay! That is how I was created in this incarnation. It was my choice. My love is unconditional The sexual orientation of a jedi is of no concern since love itself can be pure but if problem arises can easily lead to the darkside Whatever rocks their boat. If they are into it they should not be deprived of their interests. Steal a child's candy and observe. I use this example because of first-hand experience.
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