The Jedi Church should seek to become a charitable trust?

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The Jedi Church should seek to become a charitable trust

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Reasons To Disagree

I think we need to focus our attention on the good instead of bringing in money which would lead us to the dark side

We should raise money to gain awareness of the church, but we should not have the charity aspect as a main deally

It is more important to become a recognised religion in law. This will aid the quest for treatment equal to other religions. (It also confers tax exempt status and allows a deduction for contributions, just as a charitable trust would.)

Money should not concern the jedi.

Money and Profit is of man, where as the jedi are of the force

Fuck the Homeless

we do not seek charity we only seek to be one with the force.

First global recognition, then and maybe, charity

Money to the Dark Side leads...

I think we need a physical church first, we need to show the world we are serious then when the 12 council members ( preferably 12 from different leading countries) have been chosen we can help the world, taking the side of green-peace and save the trees society. we also need a technology department, develop the lightsaber technology. This way we can enforce the rights of others and punish those that need to be punished.

We give help not ask for it

When you put money into anything, it makes it corruptible, and the Jedi should not be corruptible.

Because the sith may ask!

The Church should not have ANY financial income whether its for Charity or for the Church itself. People will be turned off the idea of Jediism if we start to mention money

What is money but a path to the dark side?

Money always mess with the beliefs.

money is the root of the dark side

the world may missinterprate kindness for weakness

No man can handle money without being corrupted; but look at buddhism, it has done pretty well this far without a lot of money eventhough it is necessary...but a little can do a lot.

The Jedi are a group that recognizes THE FORCE. A Jedi charitable trust would make no more sense than a charitable trust for gravity or magnetism (minor subsets of THE FORCE).

it is way more important to see this church reach it to a nationally accepted level, and if it does it also gains tax exempt status

for what reason

I believe the world can help it self through tough times after all isnt that what happen in WW2? i mean come on if the homeless and the poor get paid bad stop paying the retarded sports people and give it to the poor no person should be charged for working hard and the world can rot in he$# :D

Why should we become a charity wussy girly churches give charity!

Bad idea, very bad. It would be detrimental to Jediism to not take heed the short comings of all other Churches and Religions throughout history. Money is the root of all evil; it is proven. When Churches involve money, despite intent, it draws out greed and corruption. "Sith" would emerge from within in pursuit selfish goals for their own personal financial gain. With money as a factor it would be unclear of one's motivation as a member. Without money as a element, Jedi would be motivated by faith alone, ensuring their purity and intentions. Jediism is clearly the purest form of religion that has yet to be tainted by man. This purity MUST be protected and preserved. Jediism has existed since the beginning of time, but has only recently surfaced with a name and following. Jediism is new to the general public and can not afford bad media that would discredit and mock the entire faith. Jedi must weigh the pros and cons, and do what is in the best interest of the faith, not neccessarily the society as a whole. Maybe it is the Jedi's calling to provide charity, but if the faith is discredited, it is all in vain. If this happens, the church will lose followers, support, the general public's approval, and lessen the number of new members. As an ex-law enforcement official and a current goverment employee, I know that charity and financial aid programs draw in corrupt, lazy, deceiptful, selfish, manipulative, and greedy persons. Environment dictates behavior, and these are people we don't want drawn to Jedi. It is too great of a risk to the faith's success, at least at this time.

We must focus on what really matters at first: Get the word of the Jedi known through-out the world.

A trust/non-profit is good, but there are other issues that we should focus on first.

theres a fine line between charity and profit, money makes people corruptable

Money is not the root of all evil, though it tends to influence. I believe it absolutely unnessicary to turn a philosophy into a cash grab (for whatever reason). Costs to promote and track the order are all that are needed.

Charity is of the heart and all should help those less fortunate then themselves, but a charitable trust the Jedi should not be, nor should any religion, we should be charitable but as individuals to what our own heart holds dear not to one thing (or many) as a whole

no never. money isnt everything yes we need it to survive but money leads to greed,greed leads to suffering suffering leads to pain pain leads to anger and anger leads to the darkside.so no. the catholics did that n it lead to greed! it became very curropt. we dont need that to happen to us. money leads to greed!

I think that the force need to be strong!

Money NO. Advice, wisdom and guidance in the ways of the Force YES.

Our intrest is in the force. We may give aid to those who seek it as we see fit. Becoming a trust binds the church as an entity further to the laws of man. Therefore I feel the only reason to do so is tax purposes.

Money corrupts.

Reasons To Agree

Not-for-profit organization is a better choice of words

Would be wonderful to see the jedi church helping others.

The church should deffinatly help out, not only will we be improving peoples lives, but also getting the word out about the Jedi Church!

That would allow us to help which in turn would boost credibility

In this day and age there is a need to help others.

only if the causes we pursue are just.

jedi's are here to protect so yes help and protect

Money is Power in this world. Use the force of the money.

helping others might put us on the map..

We don't have to be a rich religion like others.Money can corrupt us.It's true that we have to be a powerfull religion but with humility.And always looking to help others.

Greed leeds to the dark side however if we do accept donations we must put said money to good use.

We should accept donations but not class ourselves as a charity. That would only stop people from joining.

it should do and bee what its meant to be no more no less

The Jedi order was the support of the Republic, and a comfort to the poor, weak, and oppressed. How can we inherit these ideals, if we do not follow them?

we are here to love and guard our fellow man charity will just make us a more trust worthy group

it is the will of the Force

Yes, instead of building ornate and fancy decorations or spending obscene amount of money on extremely uninteresting religious material (like some) we should help people :)

Lets all try and be a force for good in the world/galaxy and in this world money talks

While aiding others is of the utmost importance, focusing on the problems of the galaxy to the exclusion of our own internal problems can lead to our downfall. Careful attention must be paid to what and when we help but help we must.

We need to get the idea out there that we are an official religion. not a joke. but the perils of the dark side are steep

We should serve others in need.

a good question

Non-profit organisation - agreed.

Not-for-profit. Only for education and freeing of minds, leading to the Light Side. NOT for helping the "needy" who are lazy or weak-willed (Dark Siders); only those who are unable to help themselves.

Just as long as it stays non-profit because money leads to power and power corrupts and absolute money leads to absolute power and absolute power corrupts absolutly

Jedi are going to need money in order to move around the ministers of faith and do our work. We do need to dwell on it but we do need it non the less.

As long as the money is used to help the ways of the Jedi move forward, and not just to benefit oneself, then I feel that money will do us no harm.

To help others in need is the Jedi way, so yes. It is also important to show society we are a good order.

I agree but we should give the fishing stick, not the fish.

Money is god-made as all other things in the universe. We all are a piece of god. All things in the universe are pieces of god. Also is money also a piece of god. And god is another name for the force or the force is another name for god...

Non-profit organization - agreed.

Recognised religions have certain rights including charity recognition and rights.

We are here to make this world better.

Money unfortunately brings greed and can lead to the Dark Side. Eventually we will have to incorporate as an official body in order to be recognised. A 'Temple' or "Church' is recognised as such and registered for that purpose. And money will be involved just to meet legal obligations annually so it cannot be avoided.

You have my vote!

seeing that this corrupt world is run on money, we would need money to be reconized. After that we could show them the force.

Yes i agree. As soon as people take us for real

Jedi must put the needs of the community above the needs of individuals

A non profit status is a integral peice of being recognized as an organized and official religion

The Jedi do not give charity for the sake of charity. One of the greatest concepts ever devised my man is embodied in the saying "Feed a man a fish and he eats for a day, Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a life time." As Jedi we seek to protect and promote life, as such we will help in catastrophy and emergency. A Jedi will help life when life cannot help itself and will help a life when a life is trying to help itself. Give a man a fish only when there are no fish or he is incapable of fishing. Those that do not know how to fish will be taught how to fish and given a fish as they learn and stay dedicated to learning.

yes my vote agrees

in order to establish ourselves as a major religion in this world we need to show that we are part of it not seperate. The risk of the dark side of the force is overcome by the compassion of charity.

though it is true that collecting money can elad to corruption which is evil/dark side. We should still focus on helping in whatever way we can

A jedi needs to master the dark side, money can do great evil but also greater good. money is but a tool in the wars against evil. A charitable trust has many advantages.

Donations should be made towards charities to help to show others that we really do follow our beliefs in helping others. I also think that the jedi should run for a position of notice on the government, we have just as much right as any other party and our beliefs are beneficial to many. Someone should sort this.

The Way of the Jedi is to help those we can.

if you beliven something you should at least help out your community.

while giving is always good, you should never let yourself be blinded by greed. remember the path to good is narrow indeed.

This would ensure that other people, less well off than ourselves benefit in some way and that we can maximise our monatary potential for the greater good.

Helping the charities would be good for us, and it will also help us become known amongst the communities.

we must help those less fornet than us,but causin should be taken, thatthe dark side dose not gain from our giving

Our society is laid upon that of currency in order for a religion to prosper

ONLY IF IT IS FOR THE BETTER GOOD OF THE GRSATER GOOD.

Money is of no importance to the Jedi.

The church should NEVER be a profitting organization. If anything the money gained can be "charitied" to organizations created for spreading the word of the church

One of the main jedi ideals is to help those who do not have the means to help themselves that is a core tenant of the jedi teaching

We should spread the way of the Jedi another way. Helping anyone we see.

the church should definitely help out, not only will we be improving peoples lives, but also getting the word out about the Jedi Church!

Part of balance is knowing when to give, and when to receive. If one chooses not to receive, they steal the experience of giving from another being. We should make donations available for people to experience giving, yet not fall into relying on the income. The income may be benefitted in the costs of making our organizations stronger, thereby allowing for our influence to be helpful to our causes - which I stress will hopefully be balanced and unselfish.

The life of a jedi is to help and protect, we have our faith to keep us strong so with donations we can help to protect others that are not so strong

Non-profit organisation - agreed.

"The Jedi are selfless they only care about others"

Jedi's Should help others.

money would be very usefull to the church we could reach out to more people and essintaily grow as a community

Every religion needs money to progress, but with the funds the Jedi religion can better progress it's cause

So that the Church can raise funds to help others less fortunate.

However it is much more important to become recognised as an actual religion.

"The Jedi are selfless they only care about others"

it is not how rich you are but what you do that defines you

not cheap to grow

i think that becoming a charitable oorganiseation or a profitable organizeation is in itself a good thing then the church may becaome more active in helping others

If you use the money wisely for the good of humanity that is the way of the force, greed leads to the dark side.

Reasons for Remain Neutral

I THINK IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE WANT.

i am not getting in this

we should help the weak but surely you would want us to gain numbers so that raising a large sum would be possible

No comment.

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I think some time should be spent with actual financial analysts to determine what kind of money we're talking about. One one side, there are people in need. One another side, wherever money becomes an issue, it will lead to conflict of great importance, within any organization.

I both agree and disagree with this, While it is okay to raise money, I do not think anyone should gain from the Church. Instead money raised should go towards maintenance of the facilities, and information. Whatever is left, should go back to those who need it most.

First build. Leave decisions of this importance until a solid foundation has been laid.

This is a mechanism that would require analysis and consultation - a decision for another day.

we need to be recognised legally as a religion

further study is required before making such decisions. We must be unified 100% in this decision.

Like some others said - this neeed to be properly discussed - a proper charity is extremelly time consumming, and could make us loose focus on our original goals. Of course helping is something we should do whenever available - but one of our main if not the main line of our religion, is our connection and knowledge to the force - regardless of your alignement, light, dark or neutral - knowledge of the force is usually your main focus in our religion. If this is to be happening, it should be studied extensively, and should not be a rushed decision.

Money has nothing to do with this desicion. The Force has brought us together, the next logical step is to organize as a governmental recognized entity, so that we can grow and be recognized by world governments, so that we can do our duty as Jedi. I recommend someone gathering information on the different types of entitys and then voting on the type we should incorperate as. It will have to be done seperately in every country so one person from every country will need to volunteer for fact finding for the group. Preferably people with law experience. Sir Liam

Our top priority is to free ourselves from the darkside Once that is done and we are in tune with the Force we will know what to do Lets free ourselves now , let the force flow in and through us, become an instrument of the Force not an instrument of greed , fear, anger,

Only if the homeless join forces with jedi.

I believe we should first decide if recognition is what the Jedi Church needs. Until we do make that decision this ? is mute.

THROUGH OUR ACTIONS WE SHALL BE JUDGED, MONEY IS NEITHER GOOD NOR BAD. BUT IT IS NOT THE PURPOSE FOR HOW THE MONEY IS USED THAT WE WILL BE PERCEIVED OR JUDGED, BUT THE COLLECTION OF SAID FUNDS THAT WILL JUDGE US AND THE INTEREST OF SAID FUNDS THAT WILL MOVE US OR SOME TOWARD THE DARK SIDE.

You should ask yourself whether recognition of your belief from another is required for you to believe.

my vote is nutral, because i dont have a problem either way if it when charitable or not

We should have the money to make our selfs more known before we give back

Money is not the issue, if we were organised we would be able to help others, that is the Jedi way

The Jedi church should first seek full definition of what it is before it tries to aid others. As things currently stand, there is no true sense of identity, nor a true understanding of what we stand for. First, define and understand the self, for only then are we able to help others.

I'm neither her nor there on this because I feel that members should help if/where/when they could, but at the same time, being able to raise money would be good for those who might not be able to help out otherwise, for whatever reason.

jedi have no place discussing money, never mind the decision of who deserves the money more than others. we help how we can without giving financial aid because no1 needs money to stay alive

When one does not know whether to agree or disagree, surely it is better to remain neutral?

If only it helps the force to stay strong

Any activity that brings us into a position to worry about money in any way is dangerous because it places us in the path of emotions that lead to the dark side of the force.

no comment

i am neutral because i dont want us to be over run and i dont want us to be bankrupt

we need it we raise funds

I see both light and darkness in this decision. Perhaps now is a time to meditate on the will of the Force.

I neither agree or disagree. Money is on the fine line between light and dark. It has the abbility to turn even the light hearted to the dark. However it does have the ability to contribute to the greater good.

There is both light and dark to this cause. The Jedi way would be to raise it for fundraisers to help others, such as the homeless. But if people get too caught up in their fundings, it could lead us into a path into the Dark Side

I think that giving money to people of need is fine from time to time. Jedi help. That is whad Jedi do. Jedi teach and work to help, but they do not raze money to help the poor and homeless. Jedi are protectors and teachers, not a charitable trust.

Has anyone seen my light sabre ?????

Money ir irrelavant in pursuit of the force and may even cause some to lose their focus if they are not at one with the force.

The jedi needs to stay independent as long as money is treated for what it acutally an easy way to trade things and as what it is elevated nowadays as a method of control or to subdue people. Money can not be allowed to control a single member of the Jedi Order

If I am reading this correctly, it is asking if the church should seek to gain money through charitable acts. I am neutral to this. With more money comes more opportunities to reach out and receive more members into the church. Every other religion does this, however, so should we really stoop down to those levels?

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