Reasons To Disagree
Although all members should have the same rights and privilages,there should be a council made up of representatives, to guide and oversee the general operations of the jedi order. This national council should then be superceded by an international council made up of Masters selected in a representative electoral system. Masters should be eligable no matter age, race, colour and creed. These masters should have mearly group decision making powers. Nothing more! the should be only one leader we should have a hierarchy, but nothing capatalistic or communistic the board should be just for decoration. The members should be the ones in control by popular vote Giving power of authority to a member, can be dangerous. However, a person empowered can bring strength and structure to anything. Giving ranks to members might be a little too much. But having representatives for the Jedi Church could be beneficiary. Padawans aren't suppose to tell their betters what to do. Speaking from experience, hierarchy can be very useful in setting up a community, however, it does need to evolve with its membership, not only the contrary. A hierarchy in the Jedi faith is needed more so for to teach discipline and show respect to those more wise. The purpose of the high position should be that of a service position to guide and help others come to the correct answers to there questions.And a conceal is needed of course to We Should Have a Jedi Council to gouvern us Jedi its always best to have people in charge.. incase something goes wrong.. and the ones who have been around the longest will help the padawans with any questions they need answered. We need a council. But i don't think we need a leader. The Jedi Council needs to be reformed, consisting of the wisest Jedi avalaible, this way when decisions need to be made, all possible options can be considered and the best possible choice is made I belive the jedi should have an order of rank that takes hard work to reach the top, but i also belive their should be many paths to reach it, so everyone has an equal chance. Whithout a hierarchy the scociety willl crumble and become corrupt just like the communists We need a Council not a leader we should have a jedi council, to cuncil us all As there are padawans, knights and masters, so there must be order. the jedi should have an order of rank that takes hard work to reach the top, but i also belive their should be many paths to reach it, so everyone has an equal chance. Those still learning the basics of The Force should be initiates or Padawans. those who have mastered the basics, but who are not yet ready to teach them, should be Knights. Those who teach should be masters. Being a Master should be a requirement for being on the council, however being on the council should not be a requirement for being a master. A ranking system is more important then you'd think at first glance. I've found that not only is it conducive to learning but it also gives short and long term goals to the student. While we should never stop learning it still gives us a milestone to mark where we've been. I also found that the most resistant people to a ranking system are the ones whom are less likely to try and honestly better themselves in the first place. They tend to hide their disdain for soul searching and change behind a desire to have everyone be "Equal". It's really not about equality as we all are already equal, but should I be able to get a masters in religious studies because I'm just as good as any professor? No. I should if I want it, just like the professor before me, go to school and EARN it. That's really what it's all about. No we aquire rank it gives us meaning as long as all members are treated with respect. then having a ranking system is a good idea. we should all try and better ourselves
We need to have a dictator to enforce order! This is a large organization, from planetary, national,regional and local ministries we need structure. however this doesnt mean we cant have a way to address grievences. There is a hierarchy
It's purpose is to find the best way to teach
the way of the force
on every level in every consciousness
its purpose is to flow the way of the force through them through all there should be ranks on how far your journey through the force has led you but everyone is equal. A Jedi Council is needed Without order there is chaos. Advancing in ranks also gives Jedi motivation. No. There shuld be hierachy otherwise there would be no respect towards senior members as there would be none and eventually the order would fall apart. A COUNSEL IS NEEDED. ASSIGNED BY ITS MEMBERS, BUT NO SPECIAL PRIVILEGES SHOULD BE AWARDED. IF YOU ARE OF THE TRUE NATURE OF THE FORCE, THEN ALL MATTERS SHOULD BE EASILY RESOLVED. IF CONFLICT ARISES THEN THEIR IS OBVIOUSLY A FOE IN THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNSEL. I think a constantly rotating hierarchy is healthy. Without rank there is no order There needs to be order to maintain flow. Without a system in place, people would lose their way as they simply span out into the chaos of the cosmos. The Jedi have always had an order - padowans , knights , masters and the jedi council. This should not be in question if we are truly Jedi Those still learning the basics of The Force should be initiates or Padawans. those who have mastered the basics, but who are not yet ready to teach them, should be Knights. Those who demonstrate harmony and proficiency with The Force should be Masters. Being a Master should be a requirement for being on the council, however being on the council should not be a requirement for being a Master. The council should determine the category of each individual member, while bearing in mind that a Padawan may have a greater particular skill than any of the Masters. All members should have the same rights with regards to their rank and position. Rank and position are a necessity to order and these should be handed to those more in tune with The Force.
Jedi's are not communist! As it would be impossible to consult every Jedi on every matter a council should be appointed. One which knowing the general consensus of opinion would make the appropriate choices for the Jedi Order. A council should be appointed and any matters with a questionable doubt should be discussed on the council and settled by popular vote. I think a Jedi council would be a must to maintain Order, and ruling over Jedi events and rules, and the establishment of registered Jedi churches. initiate,padawan,knight,master,grand master Human nature always requires direction. Those who have only just begun to walk upon a path they do not yet understand are not yet fully capable of making decisions say, for those who have walked that same path for many years. Allow the council to be voted for by the general body, give them terms of service. If we are to have leaders, they should be chosen by US. This idea is very similar to that of communism... And looking back on even just the last century, communism doesn't tend to end with a positive outcome. The Force needs order to maintain balance. In the absence of direction there is chaos, as such there should be a counsil guides the Jedi towards greater understanding of the Force and represents the Jedi to the greater universe. All Jedi are equal in the Force, but not all Jedi are equal in life, purpose or destiny. While is is good to trust others, a system must exist for there to be any thing. All members should have the right to proceed to the next rung, just as there should be no top rung until death when one becomes one with the force. But to prevent the perversion of the so called 'Dark side' the should be different branches with different duties, powers, and beliefs all still unified together with the same basic belief system, not only accepted but endorsed. there should be a group of leaders A high council should certainly be put in place because without it too many arguements would start to come up. Listening to others in the group with an unpredudice ear is essential however. So long as all gain equal rights, ranks are a way to show experience. Note that rank is nothing more.
Initiate, then Three Ranks:
Padawan
Knight
Master
Each are gained through time and experience. for order to be maintained, there must be some form of leadership to help guide other jedi Black people have no rights. I disagree based on the assessment that a Jedi must ascend through the ranks. They start off as a Padawan and move up to a Jedi Knight and finally they are granted the rank of master. Beyong this basic hierarchy there should be nothing else A padawan learner would't now how or why to act the same as a master would,yet through guidance from a hierchy could learn to attain the knowlege needed to become a master themselves. while the general poplation should have the ability to choose the fate of themselves there should always be a hierarchy of excellence among the group to guide those less "favorable".but do not give any men to much power. because too much power will blind even the most virtuos i would like to be treated with respect but we need people to lead us and people who are practiced to make discisions for us Rise and shine i belive that we should maintain a kind of hierarchy, to reward people with the most experience with higher level positions Members of the Jedi Council shall have executive powers over those such as Padawans and Padawans shall have hierarchy than that of Females. The force must be divided in an effort to help people reach higher enlightenment. If all were equal than all members of the church would be attunded to the force at the same level. Including newcomers like myself There is great need for hierarchial structure in the Jedi Counsil. Padawans such as myself may indeed have a valuable opinion, but must only give this opinion when appropriate. We must all follow our masters and our teachers until we ourselves become masters. Although all members should have the same rights and privileges,there should be a council made up of representatives, to guide and oversee the general operations of the Jedi order. This is a matter of spirituality. If someone understands more than I do, I want them pointed out so I can ask questions. If I understand more than someone else, I want them to know to ask me questions. padowans , knights , masters and the jedi council, headed by the grand master. Some are not yet fully trained in the way of the force, and as such are to be taken less seriously I disagree based on the assessment that a Jedi must ascend through the ranks. They start off as a Padawan and move up to a Jedi Knight and finally they are granted the rank of master. Beyong this basic hierarchy there should be nothing else The Jedi have always had an order - padowans , knights , masters and the jedi council. This should not be in question if we are truly Jedi. The force naturally selects its highest and most developed members.
we need a high council and a grand master
when padawans become adults the should be knights Debemos mantener almenos una jerarqu?a por tiempo, en donde los m?s antiguos puedan ense?ar las doctrinas y las ense?anzas a los m?s nuevos, a sus alumnos, sus padawan. Creo que debemos mantener la jerarq??a propuesta en Star Wars... iniciado Jedi, Padawan, Caballero Jedi y Maestro Jedi. Hierarchies are very important in any successful organization.
Experienced members can take on more responsibity and can guide new members.
The mentor-protege relationship is VERY important in business, in life, and in most aspects of social life.
To me, the JEDI seems like a group who can use ranks without abusing them and while still respecting others.
Structure and hierarchy are need in every walk of life, with out structure you have chaos.
To preserve the delicate balance of the force we need those that understand it best to help guide others Provided hierarchies are democratically elected, there is the need for them in order to ensure dynamic and effivient running. Wisdom is not universal. A Jedi Council should be formed; below are Masters, below them Knights, below them Padawans, below them Sensitives. By nature of the force, they the wisest will be most connected to the force, thus higher in its responsibilities and training. Only the strong should lead and those who are weak should not interfere with the goings on of the church. The weak only slow down progress. There needs to be some sort of hierarchy. It will serve as a purpose of teaching. A member of higher rank (Master) would teach one of lower rank (Padawan). No one gets treated better, but the ranking system be used to help educate. (I hope I worded this correctly) I believe that we should all be equal in status and rank, except for the council which should be the most knowledgeable and experienced of the order, so they can guide the rest of us and keep us on the right path We need a heirarchy so that the ways of the jedi can be passed down from the wisest and most experienced, on to the youth of the next generation, so as to to maintain order and bring about prosperity for all Jedi. Jedi council so that there are multiple choices Leadership is always needed. All should have equal rights (example right to vote), but not all questions should be put to vote. Maybe there is no time. That is when leaderhip is needed. A council of equals appointed in a democratic way by those that have the right to vote should exist. This council can't be untouchable. There must be a way for the members of the church with the right to vote to vote someone out of the council. The council leads the church, and should, in some way, teach the followers. They should be wise, that much is true. They make decisions that involve the church and its followers. But when there is a question of great importance all should be asked, maybe in a form of a referendum. The jedi system has a hierarchy which ensures that inexperienced jedi are mentored and aided through their quest through the force. Obi Wan said allegience is to democracy not communism As with any order - there must be order. The weak need guidance and the strong must feel responsibility. A simple but effective hierarchy is needed to balance the Chaos other than that we are all equal
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Reasons To Agree
No one should have more power then anyone else, unless of course the need arises to have someone take charge of a situation. yes we are all bother and sister Jedi order is needed to maintain balance We all should be the same, no one has any more power just wisdom When we raise ourselfs above others.We have already made a judgement against them. Also an opinion of who they are and thier place in life. I have to agree with the above statement. I as well have studied martial arts, and this is true. You need wise old(not neccessarily old though!) masters in charge. To pass on the traditions properly. Watch what happens in the movies, when Anakin has a teacher that isn't that experienced, albeit good intentions. He fall s to the darkside. We need the wisest Jedi to temper the youth and show the right way. Jedi Initiates>Jedi Apprentice, then Jedi Padawan; under direct mentorship with a Knight or Master, Jedi Knight and then Jedi Master. Council Members should be selected from Jedi Masters, as it would be assumed they earned that title they would be worthy of the appointment! Weather we need a Grandmaster is up for more debate. He/she could be an honorary title with little or no more power than any Councilor! Yes we should treat each other equally as we can forge better relationships with our Jedi brethren Having Jedi masters, councils and so on is good. It means people can work their way up but it is no contest. Scociety needs levels but equal levels. There must be a Jedi Council. yes all jedi are equal but we need senior members to uphold the belife an the ideas people don't have time to take care of politics and rules.
Regardless of religion or beliefs.You do need "leaders".
how they get "picked" is the true issue. We are all of the force, we are all of the flesh, therefore, we are all the same All inside the church should respect each other, while remaining different, in several ways. I think everyone should be treated equally. I also think there should be a hierarchy. But without pomp and fluff. A tree cannot live with out the roots, the leaves, the trunk, and the branches. There must be designated leadership for the community to thrive. Leaders will make themselves known as we all talk, it is only a matter of listening to the Force so that we know who those leaders should be. As for structure, A primary council of 12 with one of the members being the leader, that is voted on buy all Jedi, however that Jedi can be removed by the council at any time if that person is found to be corrupted by the darkside. Underneath of that would exist the same organizational structure in every country. every council would be responcible for thier country answering to there Jedi Community and the International Council of 12.
Sir Liam while there are ranks (youngling, padawan, knight, master council master) these are more a way to simplify the processes of daily operation and aid newer members in determining who to go to for council. Strongly agree There should be those that are able to give advice and talk of the ways in positions suitable to help, otherwise with most 'general' descisions a - 'Virtual Socialist Democracy' In Jedi all things are equal. The need for an administrative board is, and must remain, purely for those matters, and not for any form of control and power. Else the Church become controlled by the dark side. I agree that the board would help with administrative matters, i.e. the jedi council made of the wisest jedi masters. a hierarchial system would be helpful in the progress of a jedi to show improvement with the force as it were The rank should be tied to the Jedi personal ability to control the Force and since no-one has demostrated any ability in it, all should remain in the lower rank. No one has truly physically demonstrated more control over the force than the next person. The day someone does then I will vote to have a hierarchy. there were 12 members of the original council of Jedis so it would be ok. Democracy is the best way of ruling. It is not perfect, but it seems the best. Power causes corruption and greed. These are traits of the dark side. Yes, all should be treated equally except the position holders who infact has to earn by their contribution to the JEDI council,its members & policy/goal. We are all equal within the force, however we should have a group of leaders who can lead us to our future. I agree with having a coucil appointed, no grandmaster though, that would lead to corruption. The coucils initial appointment should be done by the peers. From then on they should decide among the coucil who should be let on the council and who should not. The jedi need not be cotrolled by this, Anakin was granted a spot on the jedi council when not a master. Anakin battled many feelings while he was powerful he was not wise. Our journey to become one with the force is a lifelong one. Dont assume we need things instantly, we shall prevail with our religion. Only the people who can display such great understanding of the force should be appointed as representatives, voted for by the religions followers agreed We should have a board with a member that only votes on decisions needing a tie breaker. There needs to be a council Everyone should be treated equally. We are not saying that a 7-year-old padawan is going to tell a senior council member what to do, we are saying that everyone should be treated equally We need a Council not a leader Jedi are brother (and sisters) who would command their own blood? Organisation is important. In a Blue Lodge, all members are equal, regardless of where they come from. A King stands beside the poor man as equals. This has worked for hundreds of years. Business needs should be conducted by as few as possible to avoid mistakes and keep operating costs low. only if the leaders don't become tyranic I am equal to any one on this plane of existence only the force is greater. To even give in to the idea of a greater person is to submit your free will to another. If you beleive that another imperfect being is greater than you, then you will also think that you are greater than someone else and hence the cycle of disagreement commences. Let us understand that internal comflict is represented in our world today because of heirarchy that exist in our minds. It is the rights of the council All forms of discrimination and/or aristocracy is undesirable. leaders should be appointed for someone to lead us, hence the name, but they should be appointed via popular demand, likea vote Are we not voting here, now? Information is not Knowledge
Knowledge is not Wisdom
Wisdom is not Beauty
Beauty is not Love leaders,need to be appointed by vote,to govern. We should treat all equally, and we do need guidance from the wisest of us all. One will need to be taught in order to teach Even the Grand Master should only be the first among equals The idea of everybody being equal sounds reasonable. We all share the same beliefs, and are all here for the same purpose. Although appointing one or two people to monitor things and keep things under control would be reasonable idea, I believe that some people would choose to seek this power themselves (As people often do, to gain dominance) and that could lead to some very bad results. Rather than somebody that enforces, we need somebody that can be a medium and take a neutral approach on things. This would help solve any conflicts. yes all jedi shall be treated equaly Hierarchy is neccessary to ensure peons stay in their place. BALANCE MUST BE KEPT,this is a necessity. Though we should all be treated as equals, we must understand that we are not all equal. We are not all in true balance in Harmony with the Force. I believe that the wisdom of those who we can agree are in balance, as the Force is in balance, would benefit us greatly. It is not a "power" over, as the true Master understands there is no balance in that. A better description would be a mutual concensus that one is more in tune than another at one particular instance. Otherwise, they wouldn't be considered "Master". All of us are equal and we know that we are the brothers (sisters) of Jedi but i think some degree of stabilisation is needed but not to be used as power only as guidance and advise when wanted- we must remember by putting hierarchy and titles to people may only cause conflict and lead to the dark side- brothers/ sisters forever are one as we know but somebody to guide /advise would not cause conflict it hasn't a title that screams power only someone who is looking out for us.xx The Jedi have always treated everyone as equals. We will not stop that now. We need a voice, just like any other. We will vote for a Council to represent the rest of the Jedi but they should call for a vote on any bills or laws that they are considering to pass. If not, the power can corrupt our good Jedi and turn them into a Sith. Just look at Anakin Skywalker. Jedi need structure, Wisdom and compassion should be sought, Seers are also nessesary. Organization is needed and for that especific roles ,but only as guides or conseilor which opinion should be as imp?rtant as other membership in the church, and not take decisions on his own,put points of view togheter produces better ideas and less mistakes everyone should be emmdiatly given ranks and people witthing the ranks are equal but will resect the higher ranks It should work like the jedi order did, before the Great Jedi Purge. Heirachy is needed to keep order, but it should be the jedi who maintain the real power, not its leaders. It would be very cool -not like many churches I know needs to be a jedi council Yes but admin should have no perks what so ever that a normal jedi should have....
ey is no-ones bitch !!! We need but a board only. All should be treated equal- no restricting access to certain places to only a select few.
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