This Jedi Church should be able to sell certificates of ordainment?
On average, everyone agrees with significant nonconsensus between 910 voters.
Please read the comments from other voters below, then scroll down make your decision. Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?
This Jedi Church should be able to sell certificates of ordainment
Reasons To Disagree
We should not have to pay in monetary values in order to follow the teachings of those who were not about having such attachments....who ever thought they should is not as idealy Jedi as one thought...
18 November 2006
it should not be a sale you should have to earn it just as any other religion if you can prove you are a true beliver in the force you should be ordained but if you cannot why should you be able to pay ofr it? but administrateve fees should be alowwed
25 November 2006
A certifiacte does not prove anything
20 January 2007
Well, even though the site must be kept up somehow, I don't believe we should pay for being ordained; meanwhile, those of us who haven't paid cannot access the "council login", which is nonsense. What if some retard who just wants to believe he's a Jedi bought the paper and now is part of the Jedi Council and all others who have true wisdom but do not believe in materialism are not part of it?
21 January 2007
I do not believe money and religion should be related, ever.
23 January 2007
This is how the Christian church became so... convoluted. A donations section could work for site fees, though.
24 February 2007
A church should not sell anything, it should only provide guidance. If you do want to pay for a religion then you should be a scientologist (The pay as you go religion)
19 May 2007
the must be free
9 July 2007
selling such things is unbecoming
23 August 2007
Donations only, profit = greed = dark side. Look at Donald Trump (definite Sith Lord)....
16 October 2007
They should be free because the poor should not be victimised against. The force doesn't charge us to use it!
19 November 2007
They should be free
23 November 2007
Site maintained by adverts, selling certificates of ordainment is just greedy.
23 November 2007
They must be won for merits the vatican were selling exonerations to the rich criminals of past
6 December 2007
I dont think we should have to pay to proove my belives
30 December 2007
Sell! We Jedi are here to help, money has no place. A certificate should be awarded to those who show their commitment to the Force through their daily life. I myslef requires no paper to prove my faith.
13 January 2008
a true jedi title should only be ATTAINED THROUGH passing the trials
23 January 2008
A jedi should not be known by a piece of paper, but by his way of life...
24 January 2008
No They should be free
30 January 2008
If the Jedi Church collects money, it will become corrupt like the .... well, I won't insult any religions by name. If it's not a labor of love, don't do it.
4 February 2008
A certificate does not a Jedi make.
9 February 2008
Sell religion = Dark side
18 February 2008
Ha de ganarse por meritos.
18 February 2008
They should be free. If a jedi church was set up near me, i would go along every sunday and chuck a coupla bucks in there. Isnt that enough?
19 February 2008
no i would rather be ordained as a jedi minister for free
21 February 2008
A price of any kind cannot be put on Jedi matters
29 February 2008
It they are sold they are worthless.
4 March 2008
all churchs should be free
8 March 2008
I think this would debase it.
20 March 2008
If you are trying to make money then you are a business. Religion is about faith not profit.
26 March 2008
Shouldn't being a Jedi be enough? Do buddhists go around waving their buddhist cards? Is it faith that makes you a jedi, or is it the card?
27 March 2008
No point all it would do is trn jedi into a money making scam.
31 March 2008
we should be alowed to be certified as jedi as free but i can understand lightsabers costing the greens =p
1 April 2008
You should not put a price tag on ordainment for that will lead to greed and greed is a path to the dark side.
12 April 2008
should not have to pay for a certificate you should have to have a passes trial where you have to should you faith, starting off as a jedi and becoming a Lord or Master depending if you pass the passes.
17 April 2008
Sounds like selling alms back in the dark ages, paying for absolution. The concept is antithetical to the Jedi. Donations should support the site.
23 April 2008
Give, not sell.
25 April 2008
you miss the point you can not buy a certificate to become JEDI You train you master all that is required then You become JEDI we all can train not all that trains will be able to master we can not allow weakness jedi with weakness makes sith stop selling buddy
29 April 2008
You should not sell, they should be earned and given.
14 May 2008
Every church needs money to do stuff with, however Jedi as a rule seek no material objects other than their light saber. money only corrupts people and there is plenty of evidance for that
16 May 2008
jedi church selling certificates=personal gain
25 May 2008
why should we pay for our faith?
26 May 2008
Too much like the old days when the church sold forgiveness for sins...
26 May 2008
it will make the religon look cheap when it is in fact quite noble. we should be able to be jedi without any tax.
26 May 2008
Money should not have a part in ordainment. Ordainment is something earned, not purchased.
31 May 2008
the jedi ORDER(not church) should not make money. only cover costs.
3 June 2008
its a cheap way of abbusing star wars fans. but the money have to come from somewhere
5 June 2008
its a piece of paper. The Jedi are not about money. Donation is definatly the way. Jedi's are always willing to give and help any way they can
23 June 2008
we are free people
8 July 2008
19 July 2008
24 August 2008
They should be provided free, we should be able to print them out. Nice versions should be available for purchase through the Church.
25 August 2008
They should be able to GIVE certification perhaps, though that would defeat the purpose of invisibility.
3 September 2008
Certification should be earned, not bought. While it costs money to maintain ourselves, the money should come from donation of the Jedi members. I believe that every member has the right to seek ordainment by way of earning it. Personally, I can't afford the certificate right now.
6 October 2008
A REAL Jedi should live in true poverty.
14 October 2008
They should be free of charge.
25 April 2009
some people have little money as it is, donations would surfice
30 April 2009
No..... "Certificates of ordainment" are only for those who are part of the $ith....
13 May 2009
They should not be sold but given to the member.
17 June 2009
Ordainment should be earned, not "sold" to any who want it.
9 July 2009
Name another religion that does this, I can't, religions take donations, not money from future members
13 July 2009
I'd say charge for shipping and handling (like if members live too far away), but don't charge for the certificate itself.
23 August 2009
i want to join but it's to expensive
11 September 2009
absolutly not the idea of jedi pawning of certificates is fucking stupid and it makes us look more like a cult or novelty religion. giving some sad pathetic little fucktard money just to feel like ur part of something with a lil certificate is scandilious. and this place should be ashamed.
13 September 2009
Authority is passed from one with authority to another by the laying on of hands. Authority can not be purchased.
19 September 2009
A certificate of ordainment is a material object and as such requires materials to create. As materials are not free in the greater culture of humankind then asking for replacement of materials used is acceptable. A certificate is not necessary to participate in the Jedi order. In these lights you are not selling certificates of ordainment but merely presenting certificates where the materials needed to produce them are provided by the recipient. As long as there is not profit then there is no "sell". If materials are given that are in excess of those needed to produce the certificates then that is a "sell" and the order should seek to understand the purpose of selling certificates. A religion must exist by the materials provided by its followers, once the tennants of the producer and buyer relationship are embraced it no longer becomes a religion but a buisness. As the question is written, no the the church should not "sell" certificates.
19 September 2009
Operational costs should be covered by donations, whether through financial means or perhaps "in-kind" donations - bandwith/server space should be considered.
21 September 2009
They should be free
26 September 2009
certificates should be free, any funds neccisary should be collected in an offering at meetings.
20 October 2009
Sale of this should be banned. The reason being is that we want to feel proud in what we believe in and for some people displaying that certificate proudly should be easy to do. Not everyone has the funds and so they are being ruled out of this. MAKE THEM FREE
25 October 2009
you shouldn't have to pay for your belief
5 November 2009
isnt it enough to follow your teachings, and not have to pay to become an official member
8 November 2009
it should be attained
20 November 2009
we are all the force
8 December 2009
Selling ordainment may be interesting as novelty, but may possibly risk serious complication in the future if jedi validity and philosophy ever become legitimate. Charlatains and cultish leaders could prevail with little or no moral prerequisites, or any VALID credentials, having bought them at conception. Paying for EARNED ordainment is an entirely different matter.
2 January 2010
There is no reason to have to pay to become part of an organization. If you need money to maintain your website allow advertising, and to maintain churches or temples hold fund raisers like any other religious group. Act like recognized religious groups to become one.
11 January 2010
We should not have to pay to be a part of this church. I AM THE SHIT.
21 January 2010
The teachings of the Jedi faith are not monetary, they are to those who can commune with the Force.
5 March 2010
I believe the church should survive financially by donation and not be fee based. "If you want to be ordained, you need to give me money" No!
12 March 2010
donations would be better suited to the church
17 March 2010
Sell, No. Give out when the pledge is made, yes.
20 March 2010
The ordainment should be earned not bought
10 April 2010
NO.....money and religion should not be intertwine. religion should be free of monetary connections.
16 April 2010
A Donations section will raise more money. It sholud be voluntary with no minimum excepy zero, (or maximum)
1 May 2010
The jedi church is not for profit.
2 May 2010
as in a jedi with srong foce to gide us we need to pass a teast of fath and the jedi way first then to look into the deepest fears and to loook at all the fears we have to confrunt them
19 June 2010
As a Sith Lord, I of course see no need for a Jedi ordination. However, I remind you that the selling of virtues is a great way to adulterate that virtue. Ordination should be the result of study and effort, not just giving money to a cause. If the site needs money, sell something cheap and popular, like T shirts or coffee mugs.
25 June 2010
I want one, but not to pay for it, if the site must be mantained, we can give money, but without obligation...
16 July 2010
Less consenration in money.
25 July 2010
this is a strange idea certainly every one will give a little for our expenses
20 August 2010
People should EARN their certificates, not purchase them.
7 September 2010
No. There is no valid religious belief system on the planet that sells ordainment. Sell them a special robe or collar if you need to raise money. Ordainment may only be attained through learning and wisdom, other wise you become a joke and a novelty. Read of the esoteric orders, not of the TV evangelists.
26 November 2010
Money is the creation of greed and greed is a creation of the Dark side, ordainment shouldn't be sold, it should be earned, selling it leaves us vunerable to the darkside
28 November 2010
I say no. This reminds me strongly of what caused Martin Luther to nail the 95 Theses to the Church door. And to the guy in the Nuetral section, "Free with a donation" would be exactly the same as what's happening now.
2 December 2010
These should be free. We are not a profit making religion and should recognise our members.
8 December 2010
do not agree by "sell", but to "give" as recognition to leverage The Force principles and foundations
3 January 2011
Jedi order should be up held up by donations not sales. The force is in all of us, no certification can prove that.
13 January 2011
Not sell but give it to those who earn it. The Jedi didn't sell Anakin the rank of Jedi Master.
15 March 2011
they should give out certificates not sell them
6 June 2011
To follow, understand, and accept the concept and ways of the Force is not something you can sell. It is something that each of us must achieve and once one accepts it and joins this church, one should receive certification for free of charge. To follow the concept of money is to be slave to Greed, and Greed is a tool of the dark side.
6 January 2012
They should give certificates to their priests, reverends or whatever they are called in Jediism, but we should not have to pay in such a materialistic way for our right to preach.
21 February 2012
I am uncomfortable with being able to buy ordination it reverts to money and the dark side
22 February 2012
money is the root of all evil
2 April 2012
They should be earned not sold.
9 April 2012
Ordination should be free, donations should be optional.
17 April 2012
Through Training one must, showing loyalty to the Jedi Path one must, paying to be a Jedi is a Sith Move.
7 July 2012
To put a price on religion is to steal off the minds of the weak
28 November 2012
They should be earned, not sold. We are Jedi, not scientologists
23 December 2012
selling some certificate is the same as banks doing loads. you get roped in to buy more and feel obligated to serve. you don't see other religions charging people for membership.
3 January 2014
They should be given to those who ask for it and can show a sense of knowledge in the church
27 January 2014
Jediism espouses free thought -- what one believes can be a function of the mentors they've had, or their own thinking, and others should be free to choose to learn from they. For example, the dark side is an integral part of the force, and those who are called to it /must/ be trusted to choose their path -- for whichever path is forced upon them will often be the path rejected. If we are to trust that there is an innate sense of good in everyone, we cannot choose to ordain certain members. If the problem is one of funds, perhaps Jedi can choose to honour their mentors with ceremonial gifts bought from the Jedi church; through a system involving public nominations to avoid abuse.
10 March 2014
Anyone who feels the path should be able to walk it... A Jedi should be able to claim the ability to do things like marriage because that's simply accepting that 2 people want to be bound
16 March 2014
im more with the force than anyone as you shall soon see mine will be free lol lol
21 April 2014
donation = religion money payment = sect
23 April 2014
These should not be sold, only earned.
21 September 2014
A Jedi craves not wealth. Ordainment is a matter of spirituality and the Will of the Force, not sales.
6 December 2014
there is too grate a chance for the greed of man to enter our fath if the church begins to sell anything.
1 January 2015
I do not think they should be sold, but earned
13 February 2015
they must be earned as is a spot on the jedi council
22 December 2015
Award maybe. but sell hum no
11 November 2017
I think ordination should be earned not purchased. By your deeds you should be known not by your wallet. If there is an admin cost that alone should be met
27 February 2018
11 June 2018
Reasons To Agree
Somehow the cost of the web site and the printing of the materials should be covered. I do believe that some "moral" test be administered before certificates be sold.
14 November 2006
Its personal choice to buy, I dont have to and I wont be not at ?12.00 if it were ?2.00 plus post thats fair, I know the site has to be maintained
26 January 2007
i hope a truly good organisation will emerge to change the world for the better. to do this it will need money. i hope that those in reciept of the miney have that as their goal.
4 March 2007
If people are dumb enough to buy them, yes.
16 April 2007
I undertsand that the cost of the website must be maintained
28 July 2007
As a church it should be able to raise money for its necessaries in any way that would comport with the morality of the Jedi, that is, to advance the Universal Purpose as it is made apparent to us through the manifestations of the Great Force.
17 August 2007
It should be able to, but not necessarily do so.
16 September 2007
i want one
10 January 2008
It is cheaper than becoming an ordained christian minister
23 January 2008
Administrative fees are ok.
24 January 2008
I think there should be some basic requirements for ordination as a Jedi Knight.
24 January 2008
Listen. A Donations section will get you more money. Ponder that. The certificate should be lowered to 5 dollars as a certificate is not that important to Jedi but a nice thing to have being that Jedi give "services" to the community and the galaxy. Security Guards have certificates and so do University graduates. They all offer a service. Thus the Jedi certificate should be given a more detailed purpose ... as in SERVING all sentients through the force. Give it more meaning. Listen to the force. Insure the Jedi ... Purpose.
1 February 2008
yes I agree on the sale of the ordainments however when our numbers grow to where we dont have to sell them then they need to be earned through study and a number of years in active support of the church
7 February 2008
Donations are better for site upkeep, but there is no problem with selling certificates. Sell yummy Jedi cookies if it makes your goal!
19 February 2008
Helping our founding members pay for the free website we all use, only shows that Jedi ARE generous people. The first Jedi didn't get to have any possessions. If anything I thing the cost should be higher so we can weed out the true and just from the temporary, and fool hardy.
3 March 2008
Every church needs money to support their operations.
11 March 2008
Its the users choice to get one
12 March 2008
I am semi-indifferent on this. I believe the donation should be optional, and should probably be paid by it's followers to support the way. We should not be materialistic and should give to help others. However, I do not belive the charge should be mandatory. Therefore I slightly vote on the acquiescence.
6 April 2008
The church does need some income to function.
29 April 2008
These are all free countries where the free market should dictate the course of action. Sure it's ridiculous. But if people will buy them and you idiots want to sell them to make people believe that they will be more qualified to swing their plastic lightsabers around their parents basement, why not.
15 May 2008
Yeah. It was fun.
22 May 2008
sell no earned yes but, some profit must be made to maintain what we have. sad to say money is needed for everything nowadays. no need to make it a certific. if you truly believe then you know who you are. there are non-believers among us and the sith are everywhere
18 June 2008
25 June 2008
Ordainment should be seperate from the purchase of a certificate, but they (the Jedi Church) have an absolute right to sell a certificate to anyone they chose to ordain!
8 July 2008
I see nothing wrong with this. The cost of printing the certificate needs to be covered. Hell I paid $30.00 to be ordained as a SubGenius minister.
17 July 2008
So long as you are honest about what exactly you are selling, you should be allowed to sell anything people are willing to pay for.
23 December 2008
i agree but disagree. Yes, you should sell them. but not sell them. just hand them out, give them to people as a gesture of good will. most people would be turned off the fact that you have to pay. most people will think you're scamming them
28 December 2008
The Church requires a small amount of money to function. It is not betraying the Jedi way to fulfill what is essential.
3 January 2009
I think it's fair to sell them, as long as the money is going to upkeep of the web site and not into the pockets of the people...it's not like you are forcing people to buy them it's a personal choice.
9 January 2009
It helps fianance the church to help it grow.
10 January 2009
Actually, when one looks into the costs of operation, the certificates are CHEAP.
18 January 2009
The costs should come in at least, and when some money is in your possession at the end of a year you can make a donation.
20 March 2009
Well as long as the money is not used for personal gain and instead to improve the order then I don't see why not.
21 March 2009
How the Church conducts it's business is a matter for the duly elected council, who should decide such things based on the general consensus.
20 April 2009
'Sell' ? From what I read the cost is to cover production, mailing and support the costs in managing the site and the organisation.
2 May 2009
yes it has to pay for the sever and other things some how
22 May 2009
I plan to buy one some day.
25 May 2009
that is Diplomates of Ordainment. I am in favor of Chirches, i just don't like tooth fairy creeds and born-again morals, i can live with whoever i want to live with.
29 September 2009
Everything costs money - just like running a website.
8 October 2009
Every organization needs to make money to keep operating. If not, it would go under very quickly!
16 October 2009
why do we have to buy them? like buy buy
21 January 2010
yes, even in the martial arts there is a price for each belt level test.
25 January 2010
If you have enough disposable income to buy one then by all means.
28 January 2010
It would show a sense of identity.
5 February 2010
Provided the person in a somewhat active member and provided they be given some sort of alignment test. If you are truly Dark, Grey, or Light it should be properly recognized by your odaination. (i.e. Jedi Smith of the Light Alignment.)
9 March 2010
It's just another way to show off your faith, convert christian barbarians, and to have proof that you are worthy to download the iPhone lightsaber.
18 March 2010
In this society money is nessessary for programs like this site. There should be a free certification option for thos who so choose
22 March 2010
We should be allowed all things any other church is afforded.
5 April 2010
if the Jedi Church truly is a non-profit church then yes, but only charge for the amount of the marerials.
21 May 2010
So long as the cost of the certification covers the costs to make it, deliver it, and maintain certain aspects of the Order, then I am OK with that.
28 May 2010
as long as the fee is reflective of just cost of making, sending and admin cost of service the hell yeah, there is nothing for free in this universe...
1 June 2010
umm .. have you watched TV on a sunday morning, nuff said
3 July 2010
But for free im a bit skint at the mo
20 July 2010
I believe that based on the tenants of this church, the fact of the matter is that true faith lies in each one of us. Therefore, the ability to ordain lies in all of us. Therefore, by proxy this church should have the authority to ordain it's own clergy.
6 September 2010
The Ordaining of a Jedi, should have qualifications to meet. As for a fee; that would depend on what you obtain from being ordained. Is there a recognized church that will authorize said ordained Jedi to perform marriages? If so, these records must be maintained for legal purposes. Hence a fee would be appropriate. The issue may be that what are people looking to gain from instruction. And more so, is there instruction. And what support is there for students who pursue this path. This is what would warrant fees. Otherwise, a fee is not required to learn of self improvement. However, a donation is something that should always be welcomed.
14 September 2010
Yes I agree. This will make sure that all who are ordained are of the true nature that the Jedi Church stands for and will continue to follow that true nature.
7 January 2011
After,rigorus training and exams then yes. It should not be easy. If a Jedi chooses to buy one to boast then they are fool and corrupt and it is thier fault and the fault of the teacher.
28 February 2011
yes i want everything and every info there is to jedism
10 August 2011
In order to be ordained we should codify a set of trials or challenges to prove one worthy of ordainment. For instance one of the tasks could be 50 hours of volunteer work or achieving ranks in various martial arts. We also need a council system capable of overseeing the process.
11 February 2012
It's not important but it's cool.
2 April 2012
For now yes as long as its used for the purpose of good and keep the money inside the church to make it better
25 July 2012
Be ABLE to, yes. Require a certificate for members, absolutely not.
5 January 2013
what they entail should be discussed
22 August 2013
It's voluntary. Though perhaps the should be some 'trials' for different certificates.
4 May 2014
After testing and exams, yes. It should not be easy. otherwise everyone would get ordained and give the church a bad name
21 November 2014
Ordainment should be free to all who qualify; but Certificates could be sold to finance the church and cover the costs of running the organization, as well as printing out the certificates. There should be some kind of test or peer-review required to be ordained as a Jedi minister. After all, we wouldnt want to ordain someone who is an agent of the Dark Side of the Force, now would we? (Though mistakes obviously can and do happen look at Count Dooku). Also, other organizations not affiliated with (need I say, the original) Jedi Church already sell certificates, undermining the validity of the church and profiting from its actions. Put away your fears, for ordain we should do.
8 January 2015
Ordainment may not coat money but it is not free to print certificates of ordainment. So ling as the price was reasonable, I would be willing to pay it.
1 January 2016
it creates accountability on who is out theresaying they represent the faith
14 February 2016
However they should only cost as much as it takes to make them
8 May 2016
If a member of the Jedi church wishes to have tangible evidence of their membership, then they should have the certificate from the proper authority.
14 June 2019
We should be able to ordain people with the rights to marry others and for a reasonable fee based on the cost of materials involved could charge for such ordination. As long as the spirit of the Jedi cade and teachings were in play. Not in this to make a profit, but also not in this to go bankrupt either as they we could not help others who may need us.
15 December 2020
I think it should be earned but sell badges or something to display if you need to bring in money
21 February 2021
Reasons for Remain Neutral
sell you money grabing basterds
With the temptation to became much like other religions, which are nothing but business models, it's dangerous ground.
To sell is to put monetary value on stuff. What is the value of your faith? But, administraitive fees should be covered.
Yes but a donations section would be better.
Individuals may do as they may, but I require no paper to prove my faith.
i pay for broadband thats good enough
Sell? what are you ULC?
Why bother? Also if the Jedi chruch does then it needs to go to a worthy cause not their back pocket.
You do no sell your religion. We should be earning our ordainments. However, it would still be useful to have an ordainment in what you believe.
difficult one but church has to start someone donations box would be better
It's kind of tacky, but I don't see any real reason to disallow it. I would suggest that profit should not be made from the venture. As long as the money is going towards maintenance of the site, the materials and the shipping of the item itself, then I have no objections.
Cant sell an ordination - should be on merit - study etc., on the other hand donations should be OK and Tax Deductable
One man alone cannot change the minds of many, I do not think we should have to pay to be recognised, but then again, nothing in this world is free.
If it must it must.
I think that such things should not be so easy to obtain. For those serious about their belief in the force a reasonable fee is understandable.
On the one hand, many churches offer ordination for free; on the other hand, it costs a lot less than what Scientology charges, or the so-called "indulgences" that Catholicism used to sell...
We should certainly be allowed to practice as we choose and rise in rank as we advance our knowledge and skill in the Force - however, bringing money into the case is a bad move. The Jedi seek no possessions, and money counts toward that thread. Donations, perhaps... patents on lightsaber technology, of course... books regarding how to focus and channel the Force, why not? But to pay to ascend to higher ranks treads a fine line with bribery.
Ordainment into the church should be earned, not bartered.
They should be free, or free with a donation.
i dont think we should have to pay for a religion we chose to follow. yet making donations helps :)
why sell ?
The Jedi church should be able to do what its member decide they want it to do. Do we have a consensus on this issue?
Allowed to, sure... why not? SHOULD they? No
ASK FOR A DONATION AND SUGESET WHAT YOU FEEL IS AN ACEPTABLE AMOUNT.
honor ordainment will be a realy big donation
This is about ORDAINMENT not if your Jedi or not and should not be passed out like cookies. there should be some kind of qualifications to be such and yes sold
this is a good thing but could be exellent if you address the ballance and include the night in your day
if we see where every penny goes than yes
I would prefer that the Jedi Church not "sell" certificates. It would certainly be reasonable to charge a processing fee to cover the cost of providing them. But it may be only a matter of semantics. Such business is dangerously close to selling "indulgences", which has not played well in the annals of history.
they can help build, but the principle of selling verified membership also repels some people
I have to go with that i shouldnt have to be bought but the price should be reasonable we wouldnt want it costing like 200000 dallors to buy one now would we? lol so i pick neutral in this question :D
I imagine the Order should be flexible to what it will's.
As long as nobody is profiting, yes. Otherwise, now.
my own council i will keep as to who is prepared to train as a jedi
eh idk we do need some funds 4 the church but not rlly becuz money leeds to greed n ect and that leads 2 the darkside
nope. this should be an easy one.
i think the ordainment should be given after some trials and when received maybe give a donation to help cover the costs of things as long as the church uses them in a non profit manner such as go towards websight or printing cost and such its a thin path between the light and dark when entering funding although once jediism is recognized by the government it means we can legitimately be eligible to receive funding as a non profit religious entity
i realize that ppl should b able to b part of a religion without any fees things like that but there should b some form of proof that it is your faith and there should b a certificate being in the army and sayin im a jedi will get some odd looks and though showing explaining the faith will do a certificate is a much better way of reasurring them
If it's for ordainment, then there has to be more to it than an exchange of money. Ordainment for money -- that's simony. Which is bad. But the Jedi Church should be able to AWARD ordainment. If, being officially ordained already, one must pay the cost of printing a certificate, that's different. That's alright. So. Sell ordainment? No. Sell certificates? Sure.
Greed is a trait of the darkside.
I'm agree with the ordainment of jedis; I'm agree with emit certificates; but i'm absolutly not agree with selling anything!
i have to stay in the middle on this one i would like to donat money when i can but i also have a wife and two kids that come befor for my faith
One should be able to obtain an ordainment, not buy it! One must earn what one wants, and we need to not focus on monetary gain.
I think ordainment should be awarded to those that have mastered the Jedi teachings
They should be earned after proving ones self
Not everyone can afford it but also, it does say that you are part of the religion
If someone wants it let them pay
You earn a certificate. Paying for one means little but if it helps then fine
I will agree conditionally. All profits should go to the charity of the purchaser's choosing. A pool of a dozen organizations should be selected as the beneficiaries. I personally favor those of children and animals -- the two sections of our general society that cannot help what bad people do to them.
But i'm poor.. T_T
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