The Jedi Church should provide a place to discuss Jedi ideals, it is not a place to preach ones interpretation?

On average, everyone agrees with nonconsensus between 850 voters.

Reasons To Disagree

Everything is entitled to interpretation, including a doctrine to be written by whomever will have to invovle interpretation.

I DISAGREE ON GROUNDS THAT A SOLUTION IS ABSENT. THIS IS JUST RANTING.

Everyone should have their own interpretation and share it with other members to improve the church.

one man's trash is another man's treasure, one man's pain is another man's pleasure. i think the more room we have for interpetation, the more room we allow for other's to follow our faith. one man does not say this is this and that is that, that would be a breeding ground for ignorance...such is the way of the dark side

I believe as taught in modern philosophy, that beliefs and ideals can be shared and explained to better one's point of view. Surely conflicts can arise sometimes, when people are not trying to better themselves, but rather try to convince at any price. That's not a good attitude. I believe that we should provide a place that can teach the basics of a good debate.

This again is something that must be balanced. The church should be a place of learning and a place to debate and share your own views. But one must be able to except that not everyone will share your views and one must be open to views of other and all debates must be done with respect to each Jedi and mediated by a higher ranked Jedi

its best to share idea's, so others jedis can learn and improve or even help out on that discussion.

This religion is under construction and we have to discuss all the ideas.

By voting im giving my iterpritation, and so are all of you who vated with this statement weather you want to admit it or not. I belive there will always be young and inexperienced to seek guidence, and there should be wise elders to help them, if you want to call that preaching, be my guest.

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As a religion Jedi Church will focus on teach the "Bright side" of the Force, never the "Dark side". It's a way of preaching, indeed.

all pertinent discussion is useful

the jedi do not deal in absolutes. opinions are a cherished freedom

All of life and doctrine is open to interpretation and you should not close yourself to the possibility that you could be wrong. That is one of the many paths to the dark side - arrogance!

This statement contradicts our entire system; we say our interpretation all the time, like now we are saying our interpretation of what's right/best for the church according to the statement. So yes this place should be provided, it should also allow preaching of our interpretation though.

Everyone has their own views on the force, and the Jedi church should be a place where opinions can be discussed without errupting into arguments.

the personal beleifs of the many are the way of the one. its like the many cells in your body working as one. there is no problem unless you create one in short.

Then what exactly are the official Jedi ideals? And how can the "selling of ordination" even be considered? Moral debate is essential for founding a spiritual community. Is there a consistant elected board testing "Moral Conduct and Jedi Principles"? I have seen vicious racism and homophobia allowed in these vote comments. Are these the "jedi ideals" of which you speak?

jedi ideals that there is a light and dark side. that each knows right and wrong,interpreation of this will be differant from contury to contury and planet to planet

The Jedi Church should provide a place to discuss Jedi ideals, AND discuss our interpretations with our fellow Jedi.

we should be free to speak our interpretations "Only a sith deals in absolutes"

What interpretation ? the Code of the Jedi is pretty clear preaching i dont know we can try to show people a way

we should be able to talk but not to sow the seeds of a split in our church

All posses a piece of truth, but none posses all of the truth. To prevent the possibility for dialogue, we prevent the possibility for democracy. Without freedom darkness comes. May I recommend a special chat area for specific topics.

It should be a place to discuss ones interpretation though there should be some ideals that all Jedi follow. Just like a martial art, each person has their own physical and mental advantages and disadvantages. All jedi strive to help all others seeking the Jedi ways to improve. We cannot know the absolute and therefore change and progress into the future and new and exciting things are discovered or improved upon.

If a place is used to just discuss existing ideals, they grow old and stale. If no one were to give their own insight then there would be no new ideals, no progress or movement.

The Jedi Church should provide a place to discuss Jedi ideals, AND discuss our interpretations with our fellow Jedi.

Interpretation of ideals is what is sometimes needed to better understand the ideals... discussing ideals without discussing interpretation of those ideals may lose the true message of the ideal with misunderstanding, interpretation is a good companion in my opinion.

everything is open to discussion, Jedi quest for knowledge and if someone makes an interesting point they should be heard.

Open discussions and free speech must get preserved as part of the Jedi Faith.

interpretation is everything about a religion

Just use the force.

Determining the Will of the Force can be subject to misinterpretation. Dogmatism is not the Jedi Way. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

The basic tenants of the Jedi path cannot be altered. They are set in stone and ink. However, the best way to understand our faith is through our interpretation of the Force and by acknowledging the interpretations of our fellow Jedi.

There is no one ideal. There is ONLY personal interpretation.

All ideals should be heard but maybe they should not be left for interpretation.

Well I believe that Jediism was created in order to accept those who were shunned out of society for being such star wars fanatics therefore the church of Jedi should be a safe space for retards of all walks of life.

Reasons To Agree

Always good is improvement

I Believe that how we interpret the force is up to us, And we are able to make that choice, But the Jedi Church should discuss Jedi Matters.

The difference between discussion and preaching is subjective. It is one of those intransitive verbs: I discuss, you preach, he rants and raves

although guidance is needed if one is too keep the dark side out of jedi principles

Having a open forum of ideas can help us greatly

Preeching often or not can create 'pompus men' images

there is no room for ego. This is Sith. We must speak when prompted by the Force and truth will be apparent to all Jedi.

Without the interpretation of ones belief, one can not teach.

Yes a council room yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!!!!!

while there are aspects of the code that are open only to the interpretation of the council, this is more a function of ensuring permanence and stability that a "right and wrong" interpretation of the code.

If I wanted someone banging on about their frigging interpretation of something I'd go to a Christian, Muslim, Jew etc.

True Jedi teachings flow from the force In this realm the darkside misinterprets the truth of the force. we must persue the purity of the teachings when the teachings are corrupted

but we have to defend the inicial ideals, and then discuss dif concepts

"I believe we Jedi should work together, it should have both a place for interpretation and a discussion of Jedi ideals."

Interpretation can lead to diseption in one self and can misguide one to the dark side.

To find peace and balance but to improve one is always good.

THE PURPOSE OF THE JEDI CHURCH IS TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO THOSE WHO FEEL AS THE DOCTRINE HAS DESCRIBED. OUR INDIVIDUAL PERSPECTIVES SHOULD REMAIN AS SUCH. AS FOR AN ACADEMY, TEACHERS SHOULD BE CERTIFIED BY THE CHURCH, AS LONG AS THEY ONLY TEACH DOCTRINE. A CENTRAL CORE OF INFORMATION, "ACADEMY" SHOULD BE MAINTAINED. AND A TEST TO REVIEW DOCTRINE TRAINING SHOULD BE USED.

A true Master can only open the door and show you the way. But you for yourself must make the first step through the door. And only youself are able to go your own way.

Leave preaching to the Christians.

Only those practice good in daily lives should be allowed to preach. Preaching without practice is useless.

we are all from the same cosmos therefore we should be able to voice our opinions

We need a place to meet.

I think its a grand idea.

Discussion of ideals leads eventually to understanding of aforementioned ideals. Preaching is one individual who attempts to force a single perspective upon all others. However, due to the fact that we are individuals and each have a singularly unique perception of the universe around us, we should share our perception with others and attempt to learn from the ones that are different to our own.

yes, hereticy has no place in jediism

I think we need a place to discuss Jedi ideals, where else are you going to get advice when you need it.

absolutly every1 will have a differant oppinion of what this religion should be but its what we need to be doing that we need to discuss.

There is a fine line between discussion and preaching. Discussion implies an exchange where preaching is a speech without input. A board where Jedi could discuss by its definition could never be considered preaching regardless of what was posted in such a forum. Even if a post is being judgemental towards another contributor, so long as a contributor has the means to respond it cannot be considered preaching. As such this question as presented is nonsensical, however the spirit of the question is not lost. Yes, there should be an open forum to exchange ideas and yes, even at times point fingers.

Yes, there should always be room for discussion, but remember the fault in that logic that from the Mandalorian Wars that led to the Jedi Civil war. Let us learn from the past; debate is necessary but in excess it leads to stagnation and stagnation leads to death.

we need a churchy building, did u go to churchy today?, where i preach, u discuss and he rants.

There's a time and place for everything.

All matters should be thought through from a rational standpoint.

yoda i am...preach the force we may, but interpretation lead to the dark side it will

Instead of funding other charities we should fund centers of spiritual force development. Let's be able to allow others to provide their skills and learning and help one another to synergize and begin to do works that help them out to learn how to influence their surroundings in a positive and progressive manner. The Force is about fusion of the real with the ethereal.

There is nothing worse than having someone preach to you about something which you may have very little interest in. If people wish to gather at a place for discussion, they will. If not, they wont. It's THAT simple.

The teachings is to become strong to help people in the force

People have the right to interpret things as they see fit.

Learning is the road to enlightenment and ideals are the basis of doctrine. To grow and expand in a positive way, surely we must first follow a common doctrine and then expand that doctrine through time and learning based on valued and well argued opinions and interpretation if you will. That is the only way we can grow.

need a online discusion talk, like a group on msn

Yes, there should always be room for discussion, debate is necessary but in excess it leads to Stagnation.

True discussion brings enlightenment to those involved, preaching can bring hate and fear and suffering just look at the dogmas and preaching of the major religions of the world and some of those that follow them

yes a council room would be good

This is why we have masters and,students.

I joined the Jedi church to gain and share ideals, not be preached to.

I joined the Jedi church to gain and share ideals, not be preached to.

I think we need a place to discuss Jedi ideals, where else are you going to get advice when you need it.

Preaching is fine, as long as it is the point of view of the whole church. If everyone were to give in their opinion, the preacher could preach about the whole view, not just his own.

Wisdom comes in many forms, we should begin to write down what we believe as a church so others understand.

The Jedi faith should be allowed to evolve as human knowledge amd understanding evolves.

we should write down what we believe to show others the right path

To practice light sabre skills !!

Peaceful places for discussions, maybe many different groups with people that are bind togeter deep with the force.

We need to teach what the Doctrine says. If you do not agree with the Doctrine, then the Jedi religion obviously isn't for you.

If we are to share a consciousness and to help each other when we sense darkness we need to be able to communicate. A meeting place is wise. Shared wisdom is wise but preaching is totally unnecessary.

Agree. I do believe we should be able to discuss our interpretations, however. Preaching is power, and power tends to corrupt, but interpretation and discussion are necessary to construct a personal code of conduct. Mind that I say a personal code of conduct -- we all must make such decisions for ourselves.

Yes it is named jedichurch for a reason right? if they wanted to they could go to a differnt site

Preaching ones ideas is what happend to christianity, the religion would end up deviding into many different sects and we need unity

Open discussions among the Jedi is essential to enable growth at the full potential that the Jedi has to offer.

this is the basics of guidance - having a place to find what Jedi fellows belive makes The Force more consistant

We should discuss ideas and the right ones will succeeded.

Yes,these places,temples or other, would be much appreciated. They would give us backbone and improved status as a religion.While also allowing us to convey ideas that may further our goals.

This is true

all should be able to give there interpretation of the force for the force teaches us to be truthfule and not hid our feeling.

We all know what the dark and the light is. We do not need to be preached to. But ideas and discussion is a good way of learning and teaching the ways of the jedi.

i think that if one was to preach interpretation it should be open to everyones interpretation just because they might have something epic that someone else has yet to say but the bottom line should be focused on ideals

It's an excellent idea but we musn't forget taht we need too a good virtual place for being closed.

we can help each other out

This should be a safe haven for jedis

teaching is knowledge always more room for greatness

The force will guide individuals to the path that they're supposed to be on, it's not for others to make them deviate from that path by forcing their own interpretation of the force on to them.

we should have a jedi temple someplace cool to visit from time to time

I join to have my ideas respected, and to find a people to help my own views of the world grow, not to be told I had to follow certain things. I think there should be such a place for those of us who would like a more solid place to express beliefs.

I feel it is needed for a place whether it is even a virtual temple online as a forum or even in such a place like SecondLife where one can build a virtual temple and connect Jedi across the globe in real time in a virtual environment. Whatever ones methods I feel direct communication and connection are essential for development and connection with the oneness that is the force.

Some matters of faith should be kept private.

The Order must Build a temple for this. Individual ideas should be fostered outside the temple until the time when such situations arise that those ideas are needed. Section.

It would be good to have such locations but I have found the doctrinal laws and regulations to be vague. Improving ones self and the fellow Jedi is a worthy goal.

Ultimately, one must choose their path in the force. All exists in balance.

free force only

yes a council room whuld be great and we have aur students (padawans) to lern - Padawan npw

it does not have to be a "place" there is the internet after all

Yes there should be a temple where the council and other Jedi could meet but there should not be "sermons" held there.

We should not be preached at but discuss our opinions about our faith

I yearn for an inclusive and tolerant religion that makes sense of the universe using what we know of it. A religion that can evolve through open debate, which is not frozen by dogma. A religion firmly rooted in science, something in constant evolution.

We should discuss Jedi matters so that are ideas are heard by others and we should become stronger in the long run

I am here to learn but not to be preached at... I wouldn't do that to anyone either.

There is no need for people to go on rants about there ideas. Only to express them selves and show what they mean and why.

I agree the jedi do not preach but discuss and vote

Reddit?

this is definitely something we need just a space to vote and debate in peace with no trolls or people judging us for our beliefs

Preaching is fine as long as everybody gets to preach in equal amounts. ie discussion.

If you build a container you can put water or dirt in it, if you spend to long aurguing what kind of dirt or what kind of drink will go in it, then you will never get the container built. I believe that this question only invites argument not communication, Jedi who are boastful will be seen as boastful so let us be more concerned with dicsussing the structure not what goes in it. Sir Liam

I feel that this is important.for to meany reasons to list.Like brotherhood,support,enlightenment A physical door if you will for our self's and others

We are all just force sensitive souls that loosely share the same ideals. With a place to discuss, our unity will be stronger.

Debe ser un foro abierto, aunque sería interesante tener un código ético que reflejen los valores de un Jedi.

one jedi alone cannot interpret the will of something as obscure as the force. we must also be able to weed out possible sith spies.

Only if discussion is open and ego is absent entirely.

Makes sense and sets us apart from the sheep

The are many interpretations to the force, Revan, Kriea, Yoda, Luke. All had differing opinions and we should share that.

I think giving input and listening to members is important however this shouldn't interfere with the regular goings on of the jedi church.

Ideas should be discussed

An annual convention should be set forth for such a practice of "discussion" and not for politicalness. One of true spiritual conscious endeavors.